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  • Reet
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2007
    • 524

    Disco on the floor :p

    My latest creation. A 3-way speaker using Scan-Speak Discovery 22W/8534 woofer, Eton 5-880 midrange, and Vifa XT250TG30 in a Visaton WG148R waveguide. The woofer is in a transmission line cabinet

    Baffle is solid Sapele with a maple stripe. OCD may kick in with this one a bit, the boards chosen weren't a great match so there is a colour difference between the two speakers, also some natural wood features break the perfect symmetry. Hardwood is finished with Tung oil, cabinet is painted flat grey with a quality washable wall paint. I used the scraps from the driver cutouts to make some terminal cups on the back side. I still have to make some feet for these, I have plans to do something nice with the leftover sapele off-cuts.
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    The Scan-speak 22W/8534 woofer is excellent. Smooth response right up to 1.5kHz where it starts beaming. Larger than average cone surface area for a driver of its size.

    In-cabinet response shown at 15 deg increments.
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    HD was tested at 3V and 30cm distance. Very little to complain about with this woofer.
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    The Eton 5-880 presented a bit of a challenge. It's response takes a 5-6dB steep drop at 2kHz, which limits what can be easily done with it using a passive filter, and a bit unfortunate for a small 5" driver. It is a fibreglass honeycomb cone, and this response is not that different from what you get with the Dynavox yellow honeycomb drivers as well. It's funny that the Discovery 8" woofer provides a smoother response up past 2kHz here.

    In-cabinet response shown at 15 deg increments.
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    HD was tested at 3V and 30cm distance. Eton has a simple motor, so distortion results are not the best, but far from the worst. Cone breakup shows up as 3rd order peak at 2.2kHz.
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    The Vifa XT25TG30 used here is an old stock tweeter, from the pre-Tymphany days, these were "made in Denmark". Even with the waveguide, there is still some baffle diffraction showing up on-axis in the 2-3kHz range, but it's still a very usable response overall.

    In-cabinet response shown at 15 deg increments.
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    HD was tested at 3V and 30cm distance.
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    Bringing it all together, I arrived at the following result. Some compromises were made to keep parts count and cost at a reasonable "mid-tier" level.
    • The midrange high pass is just a single cap, which results in a bump in the low end response from the driver Fs. I compared to a 2nd order filter that provided a smoother filter roll-off and better phase alignment, decided it wasn't worth the effort as overall response was not really affected much at all and the Eton is capable of handling a little low frequency output without strain.
    • The tweeter filter is 3rd order to match the fast cliff in the midrange response.
    • The woofer filter would need some big parts to avoid the 30-40Hz dip and 80-200Hz bump, so I decided to live with it as-is.
    • Rising response >10kHz will be un-noticed by most, only observable on-axis. I focus more on listening window response that single on-axis results, and listening window response is very good.

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    Overall it actually an excellent sounding speaker, very enjoyable sound, great kick drum punch, nothing really to complain about, just enjoyable music


    https://discord.gg/h5SuNKDJfx
  • theSven
    Master of None
    • Jan 2014
    • 1059

    #2
    I love the wood color choice on the baffle! What was the budget to build these?
    Painter in training

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    • Reet
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2007
      • 524

      #3
      Thanks.

      Budget? Hmm, so I mostly just collect drivers I find on sale or through classifieds, lightly used that I think would work well with other drivers I have collecting dust on the shelf. Budget is “this seems reasonable”.

      The hardwood baffle doesn’t add a huge amount of cost overall, especially given the current price of MDF these days, and its a lot more enjoyable woodworking experience in addition to adding to the visual appeal. Having access to a big jointer planer helps.
      https://discord.gg/h5SuNKDJfx

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      • technodanvan
        Super Senior Member
        • Nov 2009
        • 1024

        #4
        Looks really nice Reet! Interesting choice on the midrange, I haven't seen many designers go with Eton before as it often isn't the best value. Looks like you did a great job despite the somewhat limited upper range on it. I do really like the eight bolt pattern for the Eton as well!
        - Danny

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        • Reet
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2007
          • 524

          #5
          Eton are generally not very good value as a DIY option, the price is high especially for something with a basic motor, and the datasheet response is generally awful overly smoothed useless data. With DIY driver supplies dwindling and prices rising, I have jumped on a few purchases that I otherwise wouldn't have, and this is one of them. My purchase price for the Eton drivers was only CAD$50ea. Eton is NLA as a DIY option today it would appear, Solen recently cleared out their remaining Eton stock.

          This particular Eton driver has been around for ages, and I found two datasheets for it, neither of which depict the real response >1kHz in the slightest. Put on your rose tinted glasses...
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          For direct comparison, I divided my on-axis response by the diffraction response for a IB equivalent:
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          In any case, I do have lots of positive things to say about these Eton drivers. First, the measured T/S was bang on spec, and the pair of drivers were about as perfect as a matched pair as you could imagine. The speaker cone "doping" is hand applied by brush which gives the drivers a very nice appearance, the yellow honeycomb behind subtly glistens through. Downside for the cone is the dustcap is extremely soft. The frame is not vented behind the spider, however the front of it is thick enough that you can lay the driver flat on its face and not squish the surround. I do think 8 screws in a 5" driver is excessive though.

          The frequency response is a bit unfortunate, but if you pound it into shape the driver sounds quite pleasant.
          https://discord.gg/h5SuNKDJfx

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          • Reet
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2007
            • 524

            #6
            ​A photo of Eton 5-880.
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            • Reet
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2007
              • 524

              #7
              Just a couple more photos.

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              • technodanvan
                Super Senior Member
                • Nov 2009
                • 1024

                #8
                That is a good looking driver. Rose-tinted glasses indeed.
                - Danny

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                • tktran
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2005
                  • 661

                  #9
                  Nice woodworking.

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                  • 6thplanet
                    Junior Member
                    • Aug 2023
                    • 4

                    #10
                    Definitely like the terminal mount, nice touch.
                    Your right about the Eton stuff. Always seemed overpriced for what it was so I never made that leap to try any of their offerings.

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                    • JonMarsh
                      Mad Max Moderator
                      • Aug 2000
                      • 15284

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Reet
                      ​A photo of Eton 5-880.
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                      This looks like a really fun system, and I've been playing around with the Visaton W148 waveguide for a while, too.

                      Have you heard anything "official" about the status of Eton? I'm getting that going out of business vibe, with the NA vendors having clearance sales. Used them in some projects back in the 80's and 90's.

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                      • Reet
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 524

                        #12
                        I don’t know anything about Eton, sorry.
                        https://discord.gg/h5SuNKDJfx

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                        • Reet
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 524

                          #13
                          Feet made from the scrap off-cuts that usually get thrown away. I think they turned out pretty well.

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                          • Reet
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 524

                            #14
                            ​Attempt to reproduce roughly the first photo here, but with feet attached. They'll look better on a hard floor TBH.

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                            https://discord.gg/h5SuNKDJfx

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