Dayton's Reference Paper cone drivers

[agrippa]

Has anyone used these drivers yet? How do they stack up with the Dayton Aluminum cones I wonder? I have used the Aluminum Reference several times and enjoyed them. I am trying to get some independent confirmation on what I am seeing. They look pretty good.

I am just at the beginning phase of a new speaker project.... the dreaming phase. A Nat P type speaker with these.... Ha. I don't know yet. More dreaming is ahead but I do like this new Dayton Series.

Thanks for any input

[agrippa]

http://techtalk.parts-express.com/showthread.php?240740-RS150P-8-measurements/page4

I found this thread on PE. It looks like they designed the paper mids and mid/woofers to paired with the larger metal woofers.

[mpotoka]

I've got a pair of the 180Ps that should be delivered any minute-I'm planning to pair them up with GR-T3 tweeters I have sitting around.

[cjd]

There will be projects. Some excellent, a lot good enough, and I'm sure some pretty bad ones. We won't hear about a lot of them.

I've got enough in the pipeline and absolutely no particular reason at this point to stick to PE/Dayton, but if they're the right driver for the job I'll use 'em. They should be excellent. The information we've seen so far suggests they are.

C

[agrippa]

There will be projects. Some excellent, a lot good enough, and I'm sure some pretty bad ones. We won't hear about a lot of them.

I've got enough in the pipeline and absolutely no particular reason at this point to stick to PE/Dayton, but if they're the right driver for the job I'll use 'em. They should be excellent. The information we've seen so far suggests they are.

C

New quality drivers at a decent price are always exciting. I look forward to seeing some designs.

[Jim Holtz]

I've not been able to get quite as excited as others about the new RS-P line. They are too much like SB Acoustics at the same price points. There are a lot of designs for SB Acoustics and they test excellent with very low distortion.

I was hoping for something like the Vifa NE's or SS Revelators or Illuminators at a lower price point.

Jim

[Paul K.]

Me neither, Jim. I've done some exploratory TL modeling for the RS180P-8 and while the results were entirely acceptable, the RS180 metal cone does far better in woofer and midwoofer uses. I've always felt the original SB Acoustic drivers to be very high-value performers and extremely well-built. Not blatantly knocking the RS paper series as I'm sure many good designs will be wrought by a number of people.
Paul

I've not been able to get quite as excited as others about the new RS-P line. They are too much like SB Acoustics at the same price points. There are a lot of designs for SB Acoustics and they test excellent with very low distortion.

I was hoping for something like the Vifa NE's or SS Revelators or Illuminators at a lower price point.

Jim

[Jim Holtz]

Me neither, Jim. I've done some exploratory TL modeling for the RS180P-8 and while the results were entirely acceptable, the RS180 metal cone does far better in woofer and midwoofer uses. I've always felt the original SB Acoustic drivers to be very high-value performers and extremely well-built. Not blatantly knocking the RS paper series as I'm sure many good designs will be wrought by a number of people.
Paul

Hi Paul,

What I'm hearing about the new RS-P drivers is they are well suited to mids in a 3-way but not so good in a 2-way configuration. They're high sensitivity but bass is underwhelming. The question I have in my mind is, what do they do better than SB drivers? Different isn't always better.

I'm not knocking them either but so far I think they're uninspiring for anything I'd want to build. Time will tell though. I may change my mind. :W

Jim

[Paul K.]

It would appear their main advantage is a higher sensitivity, but as usual, the laws of physics takes over by causing a higher Fs, leading to higher f3s in the same volume box as for the equivalent metal-cone RS drivers. Many people have been asking PE for paper-coned RS drivers and it's great PE has taken the time to provide them.
Paul

Hi Paul,

What I'm hearing about the new RS-P drivers is they are well suited to mids in a 3-way but not so good in a 2-way configuration. They're high sensitivity but bass is underwhelming. The question I have in my mind is, what do they do better than SB drivers? Different isn't always better.

I'm not knocking them either but so far I think they're uninspiring for anything I'd want to build. Time will tell though. I may change my mind. :W

Jim

[fish fingers]

I've heard some good things about the RS180P-4 if crossed not too high. What appeals to me (and I'm sure not lost on others) are the parameters look perfect for a TL design. They also look bloody nice