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  • ---k---
    Ultra Senior Member
    • Nov 2005
    • 5204

    Dead Tweeter

    Is it possible that my less than amateur soldering skills killed one of my tweeters? I have two new Seas D26NC55 tweeters sitting here. I didn't test either prior to attempting to install them.

    The first one is dead. Because the terminals are so small, I attempted to solder some 14ga wire directly to them. I hooked the speaker up, with the crossover and nothing came out from the tweeter. I unhooked the crossover, and attached the leads directly to the wire, no sound. I unsoldered the wires and hooked the leads to the tweeter, no sound. I get absolutely no sound from the tweeter, no static, no hiss, no nothing.

    The second one, I put the leads on the tweeter directly, and played some music at very low volume. It sounded fine.

    I also soldered the wire directly to the TB W4, and it seems to be okay. So, I can't be all that bad.

    So is it more likely that I damaged the tweeter or I got a dead one from Madisound?
    - Ryan

    CJD Ochocinco! ND140/BC25SC06 MTM & TM
    CJD Khanspires - A Dayton RS28/RS150/RS225 WMTMW
    CJD Khancenter - A Dayton RS28/RS150/RS180 WTMW Center
  • servicetech
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2007
    • 209

    #2
    Have to tried ohming out the bad tweeter?

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    • ---k---
      Ultra Senior Member
      • Nov 2005
      • 5204

      #3
      Originally posted by servicetech
      Have to tried ohming out the bad tweeter?
      I don't even know what that means.
      - Ryan

      CJD Ochocinco! ND140/BC25SC06 MTM & TM
      CJD Khanspires - A Dayton RS28/RS150/RS225 WMTMW
      CJD Khancenter - A Dayton RS28/RS150/RS180 WTMW Center

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      • servicetech
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2007
        • 209

        #4
        Do you own a volt meter?

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        • ---k---
          Ultra Senior Member
          • Nov 2005
          • 5204

          #5
          Originally posted by servicetech
          Have to tried ohming out the bad tweeter?
          On a hunch that means to measure the resistance of the tweeter, the good one measures 4.9. The dead one doesn't give a reading. There is a disconnect somewhere in the tweeter.
          - Ryan

          CJD Ochocinco! ND140/BC25SC06 MTM & TM
          CJD Khanspires - A Dayton RS28/RS150/RS225 WMTMW
          CJD Khancenter - A Dayton RS28/RS150/RS180 WTMW Center

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          • ThomasW
            Moderator Emeritus
            • Aug 2000
            • 10933

            #6
            It shouldn't measure as an open circuit.

            If you have a magnifying glass look to see if you can see the little wire, it's smaller than a human hair. If there's no wire then the tweeter can't play.

            On occasion I've been able to repair the tweeter if the wire was just broken and bent off to the side.

            IB subwoofer FAQ page


            "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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            • WillyD
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2006
              • 675

              #7
              Well Ryan, if by any chance you need one I have a single new/unused D26 I'd sell ya.

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              • joetama
                Senior Member
                • May 2006
                • 786

                #8
                I really doubt that you damaged it by soldering.

                Unless you were soaking the connector in a total excess of heat, but it would take a lot of heat to damage the tweeter like this.
                -Joe

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                • ---k---
                  Ultra Senior Member
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 5204

                  #9
                  Originally posted by joetama
                  I really doubt that you damaged it by soldering.

                  Unless you were soaking the connector in a total excess of heat, but it would take a lot of heat to damage the tweeter like this.
                  Thanks, I guess my lack of confidence led me to assume that i had damaged them. But, it sounds like I need to give Madisound a call and get a replacement.
                  - Ryan

                  CJD Ochocinco! ND140/BC25SC06 MTM & TM
                  CJD Khanspires - A Dayton RS28/RS150/RS225 WMTMW
                  CJD Khancenter - A Dayton RS28/RS150/RS180 WTMW Center

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                  • ---k---
                    Ultra Senior Member
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 5204

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ThomasW
                    It shouldn't measure as an open circuit.
                    Measuring across the terminals should provide some resistance, no? I'm not quite sure what you mean here.
                    - Ryan

                    CJD Ochocinco! ND140/BC25SC06 MTM & TM
                    CJD Khanspires - A Dayton RS28/RS150/RS225 WMTMW
                    CJD Khancenter - A Dayton RS28/RS150/RS180 WTMW Center

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                    • Xander
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 132

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ---k---
                      Measuring across the terminals should provide some resistance, no? I'm not quite sure what you mean here.
                      Correct. Open circuit is infinite resistance, meaning no closed path.

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                      • ThomasW
                        Moderator Emeritus
                        • Aug 2000
                        • 10933

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ---k---
                        Measuring across the terminals should provide some resistance, no?
                        Yes there should be some resistance. An open circuit = zero ohms.

                        IB subwoofer FAQ page


                        "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                        • ---k---
                          Ultra Senior Member
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 5204

                          #13
                          duh. yeah.
                          - Ryan

                          CJD Ochocinco! ND140/BC25SC06 MTM & TM
                          CJD Khanspires - A Dayton RS28/RS150/RS225 WMTMW
                          CJD Khancenter - A Dayton RS28/RS150/RS180 WTMW Center

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                          • Jed
                            Ultra Senior Member
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 3621

                            #14
                            Madisound will send you a new one. No worries.

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                            • Jim Holtz
                              Ultra Senior Member
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 3223

                              #15
                              Ryan,

                              Check the very fine wire leading from the terminals to the voice coil. It sounds as if you applied too much heat and the wire has come loose. I have done this once. Since then, I've never soldered the internal speaker wiring to a driver and never will again. Quick connects from Madisound are too inexpensive to ruin a tweeter.

                              Jim

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                              • ThomasW
                                Moderator Emeritus
                                • Aug 2000
                                • 10933

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Jim Holtz
                                Check the very fine wire leading from the terminals to the voice coil. It sounds as if you applied too much heat and the wire has come loose.
                                This is what I was referring to in my first post

                                IB subwoofer FAQ page


                                "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                                • ---k---
                                  Ultra Senior Member
                                  • Nov 2005
                                  • 5204

                                  #17
                                  Yeah, I think I see the wire. I can't tell much difference between the two. But, it is barely visible and partially buried in glue. I have no doubt Madisound will take care of it. But, if I was sure it was my fault, I would just buy another one.

                                  Jim,
                                  I agree with you about the disconnects. I have a whole bag of 1/4" ones that I used on the Khans. The Seas and TB driver just use much smaller disconnects, so I didn't have any and figured I would just solder them.
                                  - Ryan

                                  CJD Ochocinco! ND140/BC25SC06 MTM & TM
                                  CJD Khanspires - A Dayton RS28/RS150/RS225 WMTMW
                                  CJD Khancenter - A Dayton RS28/RS150/RS180 WTMW Center

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                                  • Xander
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Dec 2007
                                    • 132

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by ---k---
                                    Yeah, I think I see the wire. I can't tell much difference between the two. But, it is barely visible and partially buried in glue. I have no doubt Madisound will take care of it. But, if I was sure it was my fault, I would just buy another one.

                                    Jim,
                                    I agree with you about the disconnects. I have a whole bag of 1/4" ones that I used on the Khans. The Seas and TB driver just use much smaller disconnects, so I didn't have any and figured I would just solder them.
                                    You can get the smaller disconnects from the auto section of Fleet Farm. Nice gold ones too. Not expensive. Though I pushed one on a Seas tweeter once and bent the terminal down 90 degrees cause I wasn't pushing straight down. Just be careful

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                                    • ---k---
                                      Ultra Senior Member
                                      • Nov 2005
                                      • 5204

                                      #19
                                      Farm and Fleet! Hahahaha I live in Chicagoland. The nearest one is about an 45 minutes away. Same with TSC. I've looked before.

                                      I ordered the smaller disconnects this evening along with a replacement tweeter. It was really about just not having them in the house.
                                      - Ryan

                                      CJD Ochocinco! ND140/BC25SC06 MTM & TM
                                      CJD Khanspires - A Dayton RS28/RS150/RS225 WMTMW
                                      CJD Khancenter - A Dayton RS28/RS150/RS180 WTMW Center

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                                      • Sefferdog
                                        Senior Member
                                        • Apr 2006
                                        • 197

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by ThomasW
                                        Yes there should be some resistance. An open circuit = zero ohms.
                                        Actually an open circuit = infinite ohms. A short = zero ohms.

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