A brief look at the budget Beryllium from SB Acoustics

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  • JonMarsh
    Mad Max Moderator
    • Aug 2000
    • 15274

    A brief look at the budget Beryllium from SB Acoustics

    Beryllium dome tweeters haver been proliferating over the last few years, which is likely a good thing, if not exactly a panacea. I was attracted to the SS 6640 due to it's extended response and lack of a pronounced breakup mode (compared with other hard dome tweeters) in both the on axis and distortion measurements made it an interesting choice for the Wavecor Ardent.


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    The 7140 has gotten attention because of what appears to be somewhat more robust output capabilities, and maybe a higher price? If it cost more, it must be better, right? With a more impressive chassis design, it looks in measured performance a bit more like a typical hard dome, but a polar plot at 10 degree intervals looks pretty reasonable. (if you keep expectations reasonable).


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    $500+ strains many budgets, though... and I've been getting a few inquiries about the idea of an "Ardent LE" - just what would that mean? Light Edition? Less Expensive edition?



    This is where the SB29BAC-C000-4 comes in potentially, as it brings Be domes to a more practical price point from an established volume manufacturer. The specs look pretty fair; the only point I noticed particularly is that the Xmax is a little on the light side.


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    Now, it should be noted there is another budget Be tweeter from SB, a version of that uses the Satori style faceplate but with a ferrite magnet, the TW29B-B. It is not exactly the same as the SB29BAC as regard the motor and backplate, and as I found out, it is actually typically $10 less expensive! Of note, though, is that the most expensive version of the 4 ohm TW29B also has the flattest and most extended published response. Does it perform that way in real life? Maybe that will be the topic some day for another post...


    Back to the SB29BAC-


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    This is just on axis, 15 degrees, and 30 degrees. This is the meat of the listening direct sound response, though. If it doesn't work well here, well, there's not much sense looking further. Clearly the dome design and construction (at least on this sample) adheres and perhaps surpasses the 6640 as regards freedom from classic breakup behavior in hard domes.


    And the distortion plot seems to back that up, without any obvious artifacts attributable to resonance amplification of distortion products.


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    In my experience, that indicates a tweeter worth investigating further; probably a complete lineup worth investigating, maybe even their small form factor cousin, the SB29BNC-C000-4.
    the AudioWorx
    Natalie P
    M8ta
    Modula Neo DCC
    Modula MT XE
    Modula Xtreme
    Isiris
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    Minerva Monitor
    Calliope
    Ardent D

    In Development...
    Isiris Mk II updates- in final test stage!
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    Saint-Saëns Symphonique/AKA SMJ-40
    Modula PWB
    Calliope CC Supreme
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    Janus BP1 Sub


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  • cochinada
    Senior Member
    • May 2014
    • 658

    #2
    Originally posted by JonMarsh
    ... Now, it should be noted there is another budget Be tweeter from SB, a version of that uses the Satori style faceplate but with a ferrite magnet, the TW29B-B. ...
    ...and there is even the Neodymium version which promises to be even better and is my main contender for replacing the Transducer Lab one day: TW29BN-B.
    Troels has measured it here already but I'm waiting for someone else to measure it as the distortion is not very readable. It also costs much less than the 7140 (about half the price).
    Joaquim

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    • tktran
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2005
      • 659

      #3
      Distortion? From a non-linear distortion point of view: 3rd and higher harmonics are likely below the noise floor of a living room:

      Test Bench of SB Acoustics' new high-end Satori line neodymium 29 mm beryllium dome tweeter, the TW29BN.

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      • cochinada
        Senior Member
        • May 2014
        • 658

        #4
        Yeah but how much? You can call me picky but is the 3rd harmonic below 0.1%, 0.01% or...? I can't tell from the charts.
        Joaquim

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        DIY subwoofers.
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        • Jim Holtz
          Ultra Senior Member
          • Mar 2005
          • 3223

          #5
          FWIW, 3rd order harmonics down 60 or 80 db will not be audible.

          HTH

          Jim

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          • cochinada
            Senior Member
            • May 2014
            • 658

            #6
            Originally posted by Jim Holtz
            FWIW, 3rd order harmonics down 60 or 80 db will not be audible.
            That is one doubt I have. When we see on the same chart like the one from Troels the response together with the higher harmonics, when we say "down 60dB" we are talking about the delta in dB between the response and the harmonic(s), right? I find the measurements of HiFiCompass much more easy to read, namely for the distortion values.
            Joaquim

            DIY 4 way speakers.
            DIY subwoofers.
            Zaph ZD3C.

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            • Jim Holtz
              Ultra Senior Member
              • Mar 2005
              • 3223

              #7
              Originally posted by cochinada
              That is one doubt I have. When we see on the same chart like the one from Troels the response together with the higher harmonics, when we say "down 60dB" we are talking about the delta in dB between the response and the harmonic(s), right? I find the measurements of HiFiCompass much more easy to read, namely for the distortion values.
              The way I was told to interpret the graphs is the amount down from the fundamental which is the top line. On the graph posted the fundamental was at -10. The next line should be 2nd order and the bottom should be 3rd. 2nd order is considered somewhat pleasing while 3rd is not and the lower the better.

              The way I'm reading it, from 2K on up, 3rd order should be about -70 db which is exceptional, IMHO.

              If I'm reading this wrong, someone please correct me.

              HTH

              Jim

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              • cochinada
                Senior Member
                • May 2014
                • 658

                #8
                Hi Jim,
                I'm reading Jon's chart the same way as you. There is indeed a delta of about 70dB between the fundamental and the 3rd harmonic from 2KHz on, which is even higher above 10KHz.
                However, this is for the TW29B and not the Neodymium version which i expect to be even better. Unfortunately, both Troels and audioxpress use different kind of charts which in my opinion are not very clear distortion wise.
                Joaquim

                DIY 4 way speakers.
                DIY subwoofers.
                Zaph ZD3C.

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                • Jonasz
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 852

                  #9
                  Then there's the new Satori with a big built in metal waveguide, however this one won't be cheap I'm sure.

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                  • JonMarsh
                    Mad Max Moderator
                    • Aug 2000
                    • 15274

                    #10
                    What have you heard about that part, and where? Inquiring minds are curious.

                    I do plan to get a TW29 variant to test, not sure about which Neo version (8(6) or 4 ohm to go with...

                    I need to create some rebated front test panels, too.
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                    M8ta
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                    Modula Xtreme
                    Isiris
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                    SMJ
                    Minerva Monitor
                    Calliope
                    Ardent D

                    In Development...
                    Isiris Mk II updates- in final test stage!
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                    • Jonasz
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 852

                      #11
                      I believe it was Jeff Bagby showing pics of it in his fb group.

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                      • Jonasz
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 852

                        #12
                        The new Satori wg with a Satori wo24 midbass.

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                        Edit, added picture.
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                        • 5th element
                          Supreme Being Moderator
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 1671

                          #13
                          Interesting. And very shiny.

                          Is that supposed to be sold as a separate part designed to mate with all the Satori tweeters?
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                          • Jonasz
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 852

                            #14
                            As I understood this particular wg is not for sale separately, but there may be others, maybe even open source for 3D printing.

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                            • JonMarsh
                              Mad Max Moderator
                              • Aug 2000
                              • 15274

                              #15
                              Interesting... thanks for the pics and reference!
                              the AudioWorx
                              Natalie P
                              M8ta
                              Modula Neo DCC
                              Modula MT XE
                              Modula Xtreme
                              Isiris
                              Wavecor Ardent

                              SMJ
                              Minerva Monitor
                              Calliope
                              Ardent D

                              In Development...
                              Isiris Mk II updates- in final test stage!
                              Obi-Wan
                              Saint-Saëns Symphonique/AKA SMJ-40
                              Modula PWB
                              Calliope CC Supreme
                              Natalie P Ultra
                              Natalie P Supreme
                              Janus BP1 Sub


                              Resistance is not futile, it is Volts divided by Amperes...
                              Just ask Mr. Ohm....

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