Well well, it's that time of the year again and does anyone know if Rotel will represent at this year's CES?? :Z
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Well hopefully someone will report from the offsite suite if they indeed have one. Hopefully great news this year!!!- Bottom
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Well at this point with no sightings of any information on new products from Rotel. Like the farmers say "looks like it's going to be another dry year" It's unfortunate as I'd love to upgrade my RSP-1098. Looks like McIntosh MX121 will get a shot....- Bottom
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Here you go.Kal Rubinson
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Ces 2015
Rotel is BACK!
SO excited to see the RB-1590! The whole reason I've stuck with 10 series equipment, (not that I don't love it) is because of my beloved RB-1090. I see a full system upgrade for me in the future.
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Thanks Kal, that's one awesome amp!
Makes me wonder if there is an RC-1590 on the horizon to match the RB-1590? Would be great if it had XLR and a dedicated digital subwoofer out (similar to Classe's preamp which utilizes the bass management, can't rmember the model)- Bottom
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Here are the spec on the RB-1090:
Continuous Power Output (20-20 kHz, < 0.03%): 380 watts/ch into 8 ohms or 700 watts/ch into 4 ohms
THD: (20Hz-20kHz, 8 ohms):< 0.03%
IM Distortion (60 Hz : 7 kHz, 4:1): < 0.03%
Frequency Response (±1 dB):10Hz-100kHz
Damping Factor (20-20,000 Hz, 8 ohms):1000
Speaker Impedance (combined load): 4 ohms minimum
Signal to Noise Ratio (IHF A network):125 dB
Input Impedance/Sensitivity: 33 k Ohms/1.8volt
Power Requirements: 115 Volts, 60 Hz (USA); 230 Volts, 50 Hz (EC)
Power Consumption: 800 Watts
Dimensions (W x H x D): 440 x 240 x 398 mm
173/8 x 91/2 x 153/4 in
Weight (net):
38 kg, 83.6 lb.
& the RB-1590
Continuous Power Output (20 - 20kHz, <0.03%, 8 ohms): 350 watts/channel
Total Harmonic Distortion (20Hz - 20kHz, 8 ohms): <0.03%
Intermodulation Distortion (60Hz : 7kHz, 4 : 1): <0.03%
Frequency Response (±0.5 dB): 10Hz - 100kHz
Damping Factor (1kHz, 8 ohms): 300
Speaker Impedance: 4 ohms minimum
Signal to Noise Ratio (A weighting): 120 dB
Crosstalk/Separation: > 50 dB
Input Impedance/SensitivityUnbalance: 12k ohms / 2.2 VBalance: 100k ohms / 3.5 VGainUnbalance: 27.5 dB (±0.5 dB)Balance: 23.5 dB (±0.5 dB)Power Requirements: (USA) 120 volts, 60 Hz; (EC) 230 volts, 50 Hz
Power Consumption: 800 watts
Standby: < 0.5 watts
BTU (4 ohms, 1/8th power): 2100 BTU/h
Dimensions (W x H x D): 431 x 237 x 454 (mm); 17 x 9 3/8 x 17 7/8( i)n
Front Panel Height: 5U / 221mm / 8 3/4 in
Weight (net): 38.1kg, 84 lb
These look nearly identical, except for, as was pointed out, the 8% lower Continuous Power Output.
This seems a minor issue when considered of an amp that is already over 300 wpc, IMHO.
I might wager a guess that the reason for the difference in the published power rating may be due to changes in the method of measurement.
Of greater interest to me (as a longtime owner of the RB-1090) is the change in how Damping Factor is measured.
All in all, it looks basically to be the same amp.
And at a MRRP of $3k, in my estimation, there is not a damn thing wrong with that.- Bottom
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Seems like they have dropped all the zone outputs and 3 of the 12V triggers on the RSP-1582. Thats a shame as I use 4 12V triggers and 2 of the zones on my RSP-1572. Seems an odd move to go backwards on a flagship processor. Also wonder what has happened in terms of Atmos processing ?
The auto surround setup is not a big deal as I prefer to carry out a manual calebration utilizing the paremetric EQs. Good to see it with XLR pre outs and one set of XLR inputs.
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These look nearly identical, except for, as was pointed out, the 8% lower Continuous Power Output.
This seems a minor issue when considered of an amp that is already over 300 wpc, IMHO.
I might wager a guess that the reason for the difference in the published power rating may be due to changes in the method of measurement.
Of greater interest to me (as a longtime owner of the RB-1090) is the change in how Damping Factor is measured.
All in all, it looks basically to be the same amp.
And at a MRRP of $3k, in my estimation, there is not a damn thing wrong with that.- Mike
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I mean for crying out loud, they weigh exactly the same :W
I would suspect, or at least hope, slightly better grade discrete components are being used in the new 15 series.
It is my belief Rotel has typically published higher that average Damping Factor figures in the past for the their amps compared to similar class/price offerings from others in the market.
It is also my belief Rotel has changed the test method which has resulted in the lower published number for the RB-1590.
It has been my experiance after owning a multitude (five that I can think of off the top of my head) of Rotel 2c-ch amps over the past 20 years that they do in fact offer good control over potentially unruly woofers. (Damping is supposedly a harbinger of an amplifier's ability to precisely control the movement of the speaker drivers, i.e. prevent over-excursion, & thus its ablility to produce accurate reproduction of the signal with minimal distortion).
Maybe Patrick Butler, the B&W Group North America rep who drops by here on occasion can offer some insight relative to the different damping & impedance measurements?
Link to Damping Factor Calculation- Bottom
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Interesting link, thanks. At it's simplest, damping factor is load impedance divided by output impedance. If you assume a 4 ohm load (vis 8 ohm) you'll half the damping factor, eg: 8/.01=800 vs. 4/.01=400. Perhaps that's what they did?- Mike
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Hi ,
Does anyone know if there is a new multi channel 200w amp coming out?
I have the RMB-1585 new in a box . I want to know if I should install it or wait for the new one.
ALSO...
I was going to go purchase the RSP-1572 this week.. Should I wait for the RSP-1582? Can someone explain the difference a part time HT guy like me would understand. I hate buying equiptment and in 3 months its out dated.
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Hi Guys
There will be a new awesome stereo preamp called RC-1590. More info at this link.
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Hi Guys
There will be a new awesome stereo preamp called RC-1590. More info at this link.
http://nicollpr.com/rotel_press.html
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We expect to begin shipping to North American dealers in March.
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Patrick
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Hi Rich,
There is nothing coming out that replaces the RMB-1585, which started shipping in late 2013.
Regarding your RSP-1572, the RSP-1582 (which should start shipping in Q2) will sport a better analog section, better digital processing, the ability to decode things like DSD, a faster HDMI board (the delay between when you see video and when you start hearing audio goes from about 4-6 seconds with the RSP-1572 to under a second with the RSP-1582 in my experience), AptX Bluetooth and balanced outputs for all channels.
As it applies to listening to music and watching movies, an RSP-1572 will playback most everything that you can imagine short of Atmos. The RSP-1582 will not be replacing the RSP-1572.
Regards,
Patrick
B&W Group North America
Hi ,
Does anyone know if there is a new multi channel 200w amp coming out?
I have the RMB-1585 new in a box . I want to know if I should install it or wait for the new one.
ALSO...
I was going to go purchase the RSP-1572 this week.. Should I wait for the RSP-1582? Can someone explain the difference a part time HT guy like me would understand. I hate buying equiptment and in 3 months its out dated.
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Hi Patrick. I first off would like to thank you for all the information you provide us Rotel fans. It is much appreciated.
I just have a couple questions to ask about the pre-amps and the Rotel DAC. I should note that my original plan was to buy the RDD-1580 for use with my laptop playing uncompressed music (ripped CD's). Other than that everything I plan on using will be analog as I am moving the stereo into its own room. I. E. No TV, dvd, etc. Also, I know the RC-1580 has been discontinued. I will buy that used if need be.
1) Is the 1570 (or any 15 series piece) a true balanced design? If they are I'd like to go balanced from cdp & DAC>pre>amp.
2) Will the 1580 sound better than the 1570/1590 as it is completely analogue?
3) The DAC in the RC-1590, will that sound better (for my needs) then the RDD-1580?
4) Why is the new RB-1590 thirty watts less than the RB-1090?
Thanks in advance!
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Rotel RLC-1040 Power Conditioner
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Hi BWLover,
I am happy to help. Here are answers to your questions:
1. The only 15 Series component that is fully balanced is the RDD-1580.
2. I have not done a direct comparison between the RC-1570 and the RC-1580. That said, I would not be surprised if the RC-1580 was a bit better sounding as more of the budget for building the piece can be devoted to the analog section, and any inherent noise created by a DAC is easier to deal with when you don't have to deal with one. $1000 for pre+dac versus $1300 for a pre. The RC-1590 should handily outperform both aforementioned preamps as it sports a better analog section and...
3. A better DAC than the RDD-1580. The DAC in the RC-1590 will also decode DSD to the 10 people who own DSD recordings. That was a joke. There must be at least 100 including me
4. Good question. The RB-1590 is not the same amplifier as the RB-1090, so I'm not surprised that it is not 380 watts but I'm also unsure why it is not 400 watts. In other words, information at this point about the RB-1590 is a bit scant, but I expect to get a complete brief on the design between now and when we start shipping in North America sometime in Mark. Stay tuned.
Cheers,
Patrick
Hi Patrick. I first off would like to thank you for all the information you provide us Rotel fans. It is much appreciated.
I just have a couple questions to ask about the pre-amps and the Rotel DAC. I should note that my original plan was to buy the RDD-1580 for use with my laptop playing uncompressed music (ripped CD's). Other than that everything I plan on using will be analog as I am moving the stereo into its own room. I. E. No TV, dvd, etc. Also, I know the RC-1580 has been discontinued. I will buy that used if need be.
1) Is the 1570 (or any 15 series piece) a true balanced design? If they are I'd like to go balanced from cdp & DAC>pre>amp.
2) Will the 1580 sound better than the 1570/1590 as it is completely analogue?
3) The DAC in the RC-1590, will that sound better (for my needs) then the RDD-1580?
4) Why is the new RB-1590 thirty watts less than the RB-1090?
Thanks in advance!
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Hi Rich,
There is nothing coming out that replaces the RMB-1585, which started shipping in late 2013.
Regarding your RSP-1572, the RSP-1582 (which should start shipping in Q2) will sport a better analog section, better digital processing, the ability to decode things like DSD, a faster HDMI board (the delay between when you see video and when you start hearing audio goes from about 4-6 seconds with the RSP-1572 to under a second with the RSP-1582 in my experience), AptX Bluetooth and balanced outputs for all channels.
As it applies to listening to music and watching movies, an RSP-1572 will playback most everything that you can imagine short of Atmos. The RSP-1582 will not be replacing the RSP-1572.
Regards,
Patrick
B&W Group North America
Being a long time RSP-1098 user, how would you describe the sound of the RSP-1582? Would you say it was similar to the RSP-1098? i.e. The typical Rotel sound, neutral sounding?
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Hi Stephen,
Most of the time I've spent with the RSP-1582 has been in beta testing the HDMI (which works fast and reliably.) Sound wise, what little time I've spent listening has shown the RSP-1582 to be locked firmly in the tradition of Rotel's sound- neutral and clear. I noticed an immediate improvement over the RSP-1572 that had been in the same system. I've not spent time with the RSP-1098, but I can say that there are parts available now that simply did not exist back when the RSP-1098 was designed that result in clearly better performance.
As we get closer to shipping in Q2, I'll have more information that I can share regarding my experiences with performance.
Regards,
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Is there any intention to include Atmos processing on the RSP-1582 either through a firmware update or otherwise. Considering the long upgrade cycles that Rotel has with its processors it would seem strange not to include Atmos processing. Basically I'll stick with my current RSP-1572 if the RSP-1582 won't include the latest processing. I'm not overly concerned about 2ch performance as I currently use a better quality 2ch pre with HT bypass feature.
I suspect the RSP-1582 will appeal more to RSP-1098 owners as an upgrade.
JDH
Hi Rich,
There is nothing coming out that replaces the RMB-1585, which started shipping in late 2013.
Regarding your RSP-1572, the RSP-1582 (which should start shipping in Q2) will sport a better analog section, better digital processing, the ability to decode things like DSD, a faster HDMI board (the delay between when you see video and when you start hearing audio goes from about 4-6 seconds with the RSP-1572 to under a second with the RSP-1582 in my experience), AptX Bluetooth and balanced outputs for all channels.
As it applies to listening to music and watching movies, an RSP-1572 will playback most everything that you can imagine short of Atmos. The RSP-1582 will not be replacing the RSP-1572.
Regards,
Patrick
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Hi Stephen,
Most of the time I've spent with the RSP-1582 has been in beta testing the HDMI (which works fast and reliably.) Sound wise, what little time I've spent listening has shown the RSP-1582 to be locked firmly in the tradition of Rotel's sound- neutral and clear. I noticed an immediate improvement over the RSP-1572 that had been in the same system. I've not spent time with the RSP-1098, but I can say that there are parts available now that simply did not exist back when the RSP-1098 was designed that result in clearly better performance.
As we get closer to shipping in Q2, I'll have more information that I can share regarding my experiences with performance.
Regards,
Patrick
I really appreciate you taking the time to reply. That information is exactly what I was after. I do love the sound of my RSP-1098. If the RSP-1582 sounds at least as good as the RSP-1582, I will finally retire my RSP-1098.
I would really appreciate it if you could post a link to the RSP-1582 owners manual when it becomes available.
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Hi JDH,
Atmos (and new Dolby technologies in general) are initially only available to big companies who do lots of business with Dolby (such as Onkyo, Yamaha, Denon etc.) This year the DSP engines that are necessary for processing Atmos become available to smaller manufacturers such as Rotel. I believe developer kits start rolling out shortly. These allow manufacturers to design products that will use these DSPs. In short, you are probably looking at late this year before you see Atmos from smaller manufacturers.
The RSP-1582 a DSP board that can in principle be upgraded. That might include Atmos. I'm using lots of non-commital language because there are far more unknowns than knowns at this point in the development cycle. When? What cost?- not to mention feasibility. Personally I'm a big fan of Atmos. I think it is a fantastic tool for Sound Designers and I am passionate about film sound. That said, it will be quite some time before there is a sizable collection of media that you can purchase which features Atmos. I think there are only 4 discs to date.
In the meantime, the RSP-1582 will be an appreciably better sounding preamp/processor than the RSP-1572, and this will benefit the thousands of existing Blu-ray discs already in circulation.
Regards,
Patrick
B&W Group North America
Is there any intention to include Atmos processing on the RSP-1582 either through a firmware update or otherwise. Considering the long upgrade cycles that Rotel has with its processors it would seem strange not to include Atmos processing. Basically I'll stick with my current RSP-1572 if the RSP-1582 won't include the latest processing. I'm not overly concerned about 2ch performance as I currently use a better quality 2ch pre with HT bypass feature.
I suspect the RSP-1582 will appeal more to RSP-1098 owners as an upgrade.
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Thanks, good response, my desire to include ATMOS in my HT room is about 2 to possibly 3 years away as the surround sound format matures. Reading through the lines I think you are saying that ATMOS on the RSP-1582 may be possible to some extent in the future with no garantees. (Probably limited to 5.1.2). I suspect due to my timeframe and that I already use a good quality 2ch pre for music that possibly I'll end up seeing full ATMOS introduced into the RSP-1572 replacement than the RSP-1582.
Considering I've owned a RSP-1066, RSP-1068, RSP-1069 and currently a RSP-1572. It is highly likely the next one will be a Rotel, just get a bit frustrated with the lag of included features sometimes.
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Thanks for the information Patrick.
Now I'm torn between the RC-1580 for a completely analogue pre-amp, and the RC-1590 for the better dac then the RDD-1580. [emoji21]
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Rotel RCD-1072 CD Player
Pro-Ject Debut Carbon w/ Ortofon 2M Red (sitting on a piece of slate supported by 3 "solid tech feet of silence" isolation feet)
Rotel RLC-1040 Power Conditioner
Shynyata Research SR-Z1 Power Outlet & Venom 3 Power Cords x 4
Tara Labs RSC Vector 1 Speaker Cables & Interconnects
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Patrick, it is so good to share in information both for currently being introduced products, as well as what is in the pipeline, and as well, the reasoning for new technologies not bing introduced until they "trickle down" to smaller manufacturers. Thanks.
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Hi Patrick,
Reading the spec sheets for the RSP-1582, it mentions that the unit has HDMI pass thru when in standby mode. Can you switch HDMI inputs when in standby or does it pass thru a preconfigured hdmi input?
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Hello Patrick,
Will there be any zone pre-outs on Rotel RSP-1582. The back panel pictures show none. Also, must importantly will the HDMI connections include HDCP 2.2 version for 4K ULTRA HD copy compliant contect?
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