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  • Woo Wooooo
    Senior Member
    • May 2004
    • 177

    Ces 2015

    Well well, it's that time of the year again and does anyone know if Rotel will represent at this year's CES?? :Z
  • ZorgSpiff
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 27

    #2
    I used the CES search form and discovered:
    Arcam
    Marantz
    Burmester
    Emotiva
    Krell
    Yamaha
    Naim
    Cyrus
    Pathos

    ...., but no Rotel

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    • Kal Rubinson
      Super Senior Member
      • Mar 2006
      • 2109

      #3
      Originally posted by ZorgSpiff
      I used the CES search form and discovered:
      Arcam
      Marantz
      Burmester
      Emotiva
      Krell
      Yamaha
      Naim
      Cyrus
      Pathos

      ...., but no Rotel
      B&W, Classe and Rotel have an off-site suite as they have in most recent years.
      Kal Rubinson
      _______________________________
      "Music in the Round"
      Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile
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      • ZorgSpiff
        Junior Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 27

        #4
        Originally posted by Kal Rubinson
        B&W, Classe and Rotel have an off-site suite as they have in most recent years.
        Thanks for the information

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        • Woo Wooooo
          Senior Member
          • May 2004
          • 177

          #5
          Well hopefully someone will report from the offsite suite if they indeed have one. Hopefully great news this year!!!

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          • Woo Wooooo
            Senior Member
            • May 2004
            • 177

            #6
            Well at this point with no sightings of any information on new products from Rotel. Like the farmers say "looks like it's going to be another dry year" It's unfortunate as I'd love to upgrade my RSP-1098. Looks like McIntosh MX121 will get a shot....

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            • TimbaLand
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2013
              • 139

              #7
              Patrick from Rotel said there'll be new stuff in the new year. I have been waiting in anticipation

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              • Kal Rubinson
                Super Senior Member
                • Mar 2006
                • 2109

                #8
                Originally posted by Woo Wooooo
                Well at this point with no sightings of any information on new products from Rotel. Like the farmers say "looks like it's going to be another dry year" It's unfortunate as I'd love to upgrade my RSP-1098. Looks like McIntosh MX121 will get a shot....
                Here's a hint.
                Attached Files
                Last edited by Kal Rubinson; 11 January 2015, 12:40 Sunday. Reason: new data
                Kal Rubinson
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                • Mikael
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 379

                  #9
                  Thanks for the info Kal.
                  maybe a little of the same teaser for the big power amp?

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                  • Kal Rubinson
                    Super Senior Member
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 2109

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Mikael
                    Thanks for the info Kal.
                    maybe a little of the same teaser for the big power amp?
                    When I get home tonight.
                    Kal Rubinson
                    _______________________________
                    "Music in the Round"
                    Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile
                    http://forum.stereophile.com/category/music-round

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                    • Mikael
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 379

                      #11
                      Thanks
                      You are a true friend to us Rotel heads.

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                      • Kal Rubinson
                        Super Senior Member
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 2109

                        #12
                        Here you go.
                        Attached Files
                        Kal Rubinson
                        _______________________________
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                        Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile
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                        • BWLover
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 552

                          #13
                          Ces 2015

                          Rotel is BACK!

                          SO excited to see the RB-1590! The whole reason I've stuck with 10 series equipment, (not that I don't love it) is because of my beloved RB-1090. I see a full system upgrade for me in the future.


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                          Pro-Ject Debut Carbon w/ Ortofon 2M Red (sitting on a piece of slate supported by 3 "solid tech feet of silence" isolation feet)
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                          Shynyata Research SR-Z1 Power Outlet & Venom 3 Power Cords x 4
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                          • wkhanna
                            Grumpy Old Super Moderator Emeritus
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 5673

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Kal Rubinson
                            Here you go.
                            Very gracious of you, Kal.
                            I am sure you are V busy at this time.

                            Thank you.

                            Bill
                            _


                            Bill

                            Practicing Curmudgeon & Audio Snob
                            ....just an "ON" switch, Please!

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                            • lastexit
                              Member
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 65

                              #15
                              Thanks Kal, that's one awesome amp!

                              Makes me wonder if there is an RC-1590 on the horizon to match the RB-1590? Would be great if it had XLR and a dedicated digital subwoofer out (similar to Classe's preamp which utilizes the bass management, can't rmember the model)

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                              • Mikael
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2007
                                • 379

                                #16
                                Hi Kal
                                Thanks for taking the time to post in here.
                                Looks very nice. It is not like the asian version of the RB-1590, according to the specs.

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                                • TimbaLand
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Aug 2013
                                  • 139

                                  #17
                                  What's better here vs. the RB1090? I see wattage is down by 30 watts.

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                                  • whmacs
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Oct 2003
                                    • 184

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Kal Rubinson
                                    Here's a hint.
                                    Thanks Kal!
                                    After 11 years I finally have a replacement for my RSP-1098! Looking forward to the RSP-1582.

                                    Did you by chance have a listen to it Kal?

                                    Regards,
                                    Stephen
                                    My Home Theatre

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                                    • Kal Rubinson
                                      Super Senior Member
                                      • Mar 2006
                                      • 2109

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by whmacs
                                      Thanks Kal!
                                      After 11 years I finally have a replacement for my RSP-1098! Looking forward to the RSP-1582.

                                      Did you by chance have a listen to it Kal?

                                      Regards,
                                      Stephen
                                      Only the Classe stuff was hooked up and it was silent during my visit.
                                      Kal Rubinson
                                      _______________________________
                                      "Music in the Round"
                                      Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile
                                      http://forum.stereophile.com/category/music-round

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                                      • wkhanna
                                        Grumpy Old Super Moderator Emeritus
                                        • Jan 2006
                                        • 5673

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by TimbaLand
                                        What's better here vs. the RB1090? I see wattage is down by 30 watts.

                                        Here are the spec on the RB-1090:

                                        Continuous Power Output (20-20 kHz, < 0.03%): 380 watts/ch into 8 ohms or 700 watts/ch into 4 ohms
                                        THD: (20Hz-20kHz, 8 ohms):< 0.03%
                                        IM Distortion (60 Hz : 7 kHz, 4:1): < 0.03%
                                        Frequency Response (±1 dB):10Hz-100kHz
                                        Damping Factor (20-20,000 Hz, 8 ohms):1000
                                        Speaker Impedance (combined load): 4 ohms minimum
                                        Signal to Noise Ratio (IHF A network):125 dB
                                        Input Impedance/Sensitivity: 33 k Ohms/1.8volt
                                        Power Requirements: 115 Volts, 60 Hz (USA); 230 Volts, 50 Hz (EC)
                                        Power Consumption: 800 Watts

                                        Dimensions (W x H x D): 440 x 240 x 398 mm
                                        173/8 x 91/2 x 153/4 in
                                        Weight (net):
                                        38 kg, 83.6 lb.


                                        & the RB-1590

                                        Continuous Power Output (20 - 20kHz, <0.03%, 8 ohms): 350 watts/channel
                                        Total Harmonic Distortion (20Hz - 20kHz, 8 ohms): <0.03%
                                        Intermodulation Distortion (60Hz : 7kHz, 4 : 1): <0.03%
                                        Frequency Response (±0.5 dB): 10Hz - 100kHz
                                        Damping Factor (1kHz, 8 ohms): 300
                                        Speaker Impedance: 4 ohms minimum
                                        Signal to Noise Ratio (A weighting): 120 dB
                                        Crosstalk/Separation: > 50 dB
                                        Input Impedance/Sensitivity
                                        Unbalance: 12k ohms / 2.2 V
                                        Balance: 100k ohms / 3.5 V
                                        Gain
                                        Unbalance: 27.5 dB (±0.5 dB)
                                        Balance: 23.5 dB (±0.5 dB)
                                        Power Requirements: (USA) 120 volts, 60 Hz; (EC) 230 volts, 50 Hz
                                        Power Consumption: 800 watts
                                        Standby: < 0.5 watts
                                        BTU (4 ohms, 1/8th power): 2100 BTU/h
                                        Dimensions (W x H x D): 431 x 237 x 454 (mm); 17 x 9 3/8 x 17 7/8( i)n
                                        Front Panel Height: 5U / 221mm / 8 3/4 in
                                        Weight (net): 38.1kg, 84 lb

                                        These look nearly identical, except for, as was pointed out, the 8% lower Continuous Power Output.
                                        This seems a minor issue when considered of an amp that is already over 300 wpc, IMHO.

                                        I might wager a guess that the reason for the difference in the published power rating may be due to changes in the method of measurement.

                                        Of greater interest to me (as a longtime owner of the RB-1090) is the change in how Damping Factor is measured.

                                        All in all, it looks basically to be the same amp.
                                        And at a MRRP of $3k, in my estimation, there is not a damn thing wrong with that.
                                        _


                                        Bill

                                        Practicing Curmudgeon & Audio Snob
                                        ....just an "ON" switch, Please!

                                        FinleyAudio

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                                        • Woo Wooooo
                                          Senior Member
                                          • May 2004
                                          • 177

                                          #21
                                          GREAT Info Kal!!! thanks for the heads up. Looks very promising for sure...

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                                          • JDH
                                            Senior Member
                                            • Sep 2004
                                            • 270

                                            #22
                                            Seems like they have dropped all the zone outputs and 3 of the 12V triggers on the RSP-1582. Thats a shame as I use 4 12V triggers and 2 of the zones on my RSP-1572. Seems an odd move to go backwards on a flagship processor. Also wonder what has happened in terms of Atmos processing ?

                                            The auto surround setup is not a big deal as I prefer to carry out a manual calebration utilizing the paremetric EQs. Good to see it with XLR pre outs and one set of XLR inputs.

                                            JDH
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                                            • mjb
                                              Super Senior Member
                                              • Mar 2005
                                              • 1483

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by wkhanna
                                              These look nearly identical, except for, as was pointed out, the 8% lower Continuous Power Output.
                                              This seems a minor issue when considered of an amp that is already over 300 wpc, IMHO.

                                              I might wager a guess that the reason for the difference in the published power rating may be due to changes in the method of measurement.

                                              Of greater interest to me (as a longtime owner of the RB-1090) is the change in how Damping Factor is measured.

                                              All in all, it looks basically to be the same amp.
                                              And at a MRRP of $3k, in my estimation, there is not a damn thing wrong with that.
                                              Agreed! I'm happy to over look the small difference in rated output power, but the damping factor may be a concern - unless there's an explanation like different measuring methods. Nevertheless, a welcome update. RSP-1582 looks interesting too.
                                              - Mike

                                              Main System:
                                              B&W 802D, HTM2D, SCMS
                                              Classé SSP-800, CA-2200, CA-5100

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                                              • wkhanna
                                                Grumpy Old Super Moderator Emeritus
                                                • Jan 2006
                                                • 5673

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by mjb
                                                Agreed! I'm happy to over look the small difference in rated output power, but the damping factor may be a concern - unless there's an explanation like different measuring methods.
                                                It is my guess the topography of both amps is identical.
                                                I mean for crying out loud, they weigh exactly the same :W
                                                I would suspect, or at least hope, slightly better grade discrete components are being used in the new 15 series.

                                                It is my belief Rotel has typically published higher that average Damping Factor figures in the past for the their amps compared to similar class/price offerings from others in the market.

                                                It is also my belief Rotel has changed the test method which has resulted in the lower published number for the RB-1590.

                                                It has been my experiance after owning a multitude (five that I can think of off the top of my head) of Rotel 2c-ch amps over the past 20 years that they do in fact offer good control over potentially unruly woofers. (Damping is supposedly a harbinger of an amplifier's ability to precisely control the movement of the speaker drivers, i.e. prevent over-excursion, & thus its ablility to produce accurate reproduction of the signal with minimal distortion).

                                                Maybe Patrick Butler, the B&W Group North America rep who drops by here on occasion can offer some insight relative to the different damping & impedance measurements?

                                                Link to Damping Factor Calculation
                                                _


                                                Bill

                                                Practicing Curmudgeon & Audio Snob
                                                ....just an "ON" switch, Please!

                                                FinleyAudio

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                                                • mjb
                                                  Super Senior Member
                                                  • Mar 2005
                                                  • 1483

                                                  #25
                                                  Interesting link, thanks. At it's simplest, damping factor is load impedance divided by output impedance. If you assume a 4 ohm load (vis 8 ohm) you'll half the damping factor, eg: 8/.01=800 vs. 4/.01=400. Perhaps that's what they did?
                                                  - Mike

                                                  Main System:
                                                  B&W 802D, HTM2D, SCMS
                                                  Classé SSP-800, CA-2200, CA-5100

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                                                  • Wease
                                                    Junior Member
                                                    • Jan 2015
                                                    • 1

                                                    #26
                                                    Hi ,
                                                    Does anyone know if there is a new multi channel 200w amp coming out?
                                                    I have the RMB-1585 new in a box . I want to know if I should install it or wait for the new one.
                                                    ALSO...
                                                    I was going to go purchase the RSP-1572 this week.. Should I wait for the RSP-1582? Can someone explain the difference a part time HT guy like me would understand. I hate buying equiptment and in 3 months its out dated.
                                                    Rich

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                                                    • Mikael
                                                      Senior Member
                                                      • Aug 2007
                                                      • 379

                                                      #27
                                                      Hi Guys
                                                      There will be a new awesome stereo preamp called RC-1590. More info at this link.

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                                                      • TimbaLand
                                                        Senior Member
                                                        • Aug 2013
                                                        • 139

                                                        #28
                                                        I doubt there will be. The RMB1585 was launched recently and I think it was launched as part of the new range of the 15 series that will go with the new processor

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                                                        • BWLover
                                                          Senior Member
                                                          • Jan 2009
                                                          • 552

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Mikael
                                                          Hi Guys
                                                          There will be a new awesome stereo preamp called RC-1590. More info at this link.
                                                          http://nicollpr.com/rotel_press.html
                                                          Is this a for sure thing? Or another rumor?


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                                                          Rotel RC-1082 Stereo Pre Amp
                                                          Rotel RCD-1072 CD Player
                                                          Pro-Ject Debut Carbon w/ Ortofon 2M Red (sitting on a piece of slate supported by 3 "solid tech feet of silence" isolation feet)
                                                          Rotel RLC-1040 Power Conditioner
                                                          Shynyata Research SR-Z1 Power Outlet & Venom 3 Power Cords x 4
                                                          Tara Labs RSC Vector 1 Speaker Cables & Interconnects
                                                          Pioneer PDP-5070HD 50" Plasma
                                                          Playstation 3
                                                          Shaw HD PVR
                                                          Primacoustic Room Treatments

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                                                          • Patrick Butler
                                                            Senior Member
                                                            • Jan 2014
                                                            • 164

                                                            #30
                                                            We expect to begin shipping to North American dealers in March.

                                                            Regards,

                                                            Patrick
                                                            B&W Group North America

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                                                            • Patrick Butler
                                                              Senior Member
                                                              • Jan 2014
                                                              • 164

                                                              #31
                                                              Hi Rich,

                                                              There is nothing coming out that replaces the RMB-1585, which started shipping in late 2013.

                                                              Regarding your RSP-1572, the RSP-1582 (which should start shipping in Q2) will sport a better analog section, better digital processing, the ability to decode things like DSD, a faster HDMI board (the delay between when you see video and when you start hearing audio goes from about 4-6 seconds with the RSP-1572 to under a second with the RSP-1582 in my experience), AptX Bluetooth and balanced outputs for all channels.

                                                              As it applies to listening to music and watching movies, an RSP-1572 will playback most everything that you can imagine short of Atmos. The RSP-1582 will not be replacing the RSP-1572.

                                                              Regards,

                                                              Patrick
                                                              B&W Group North America


                                                              Originally posted by Wease
                                                              Hi ,
                                                              Does anyone know if there is a new multi channel 200w amp coming out?
                                                              I have the RMB-1585 new in a box . I want to know if I should install it or wait for the new one.
                                                              ALSO...
                                                              I was going to go purchase the RSP-1572 this week.. Should I wait for the RSP-1582? Can someone explain the difference a part time HT guy like me would understand. I hate buying equiptment and in 3 months its out dated.
                                                              Rich

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                                                              • BWLover
                                                                Senior Member
                                                                • Jan 2009
                                                                • 552

                                                                #32
                                                                Hi Patrick. I first off would like to thank you for all the information you provide us Rotel fans. It is much appreciated.

                                                                I just have a couple questions to ask about the pre-amps and the Rotel DAC. I should note that my original plan was to buy the RDD-1580 for use with my laptop playing uncompressed music (ripped CD's). Other than that everything I plan on using will be analog as I am moving the stereo into its own room. I. E. No TV, dvd, etc. Also, I know the RC-1580 has been discontinued. I will buy that used if need be.

                                                                1) Is the 1570 (or any 15 series piece) a true balanced design? If they are I'd like to go balanced from cdp & DAC>pre>amp.

                                                                2) Will the 1580 sound better than the 1570/1590 as it is completely analogue?

                                                                3) The DAC in the RC-1590, will that sound better (for my needs) then the RDD-1580?

                                                                4) Why is the new RB-1590 thirty watts less than the RB-1090?

                                                                Thanks in advance!


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                                                                Rotel RB-1090 2 Channel Amp
                                                                Rotel RC-1082 Stereo Pre Amp
                                                                Rotel RCD-1072 CD Player
                                                                Pro-Ject Debut Carbon w/ Ortofon 2M Red (sitting on a piece of slate supported by 3 "solid tech feet of silence" isolation feet)
                                                                Rotel RLC-1040 Power Conditioner
                                                                Shynyata Research SR-Z1 Power Outlet & Venom 3 Power Cords x 4
                                                                Tara Labs RSC Vector 1 Speaker Cables & Interconnects
                                                                Pioneer PDP-5070HD 50" Plasma
                                                                Playstation 3
                                                                Shaw HD PVR
                                                                Primacoustic Room Treatments

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                                                                • Patrick Butler
                                                                  Senior Member
                                                                  • Jan 2014
                                                                  • 164

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Hi BWLover,

                                                                  I am happy to help. Here are answers to your questions:

                                                                  1. The only 15 Series component that is fully balanced is the RDD-1580.

                                                                  2. I have not done a direct comparison between the RC-1570 and the RC-1580. That said, I would not be surprised if the RC-1580 was a bit better sounding as more of the budget for building the piece can be devoted to the analog section, and any inherent noise created by a DAC is easier to deal with when you don't have to deal with one. $1000 for pre+dac versus $1300 for a pre. The RC-1590 should handily outperform both aforementioned preamps as it sports a better analog section and...

                                                                  3. A better DAC than the RDD-1580. The DAC in the RC-1590 will also decode DSD to the 10 people who own DSD recordings. That was a joke. There must be at least 100 including me

                                                                  4. Good question. The RB-1590 is not the same amplifier as the RB-1090, so I'm not surprised that it is not 380 watts but I'm also unsure why it is not 400 watts. In other words, information at this point about the RB-1590 is a bit scant, but I expect to get a complete brief on the design between now and when we start shipping in North America sometime in Mark. Stay tuned.

                                                                  Cheers,

                                                                  Patrick

                                                                  Originally posted by BWLover
                                                                  Hi Patrick. I first off would like to thank you for all the information you provide us Rotel fans. It is much appreciated.

                                                                  I just have a couple questions to ask about the pre-amps and the Rotel DAC. I should note that my original plan was to buy the RDD-1580 for use with my laptop playing uncompressed music (ripped CD's). Other than that everything I plan on using will be analog as I am moving the stereo into its own room. I. E. No TV, dvd, etc. Also, I know the RC-1580 has been discontinued. I will buy that used if need be.

                                                                  1) Is the 1570 (or any 15 series piece) a true balanced design? If they are I'd like to go balanced from cdp & DAC>pre>amp.

                                                                  2) Will the 1580 sound better than the 1570/1590 as it is completely analogue?

                                                                  3) The DAC in the RC-1590, will that sound better (for my needs) then the RDD-1580?

                                                                  4) Why is the new RB-1590 thirty watts less than the RB-1090?

                                                                  Thanks in advance!


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                                                                  • whmacs
                                                                    Senior Member
                                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                                    • 184

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Patrick Butler
                                                                    Hi Rich,

                                                                    There is nothing coming out that replaces the RMB-1585, which started shipping in late 2013.

                                                                    Regarding your RSP-1572, the RSP-1582 (which should start shipping in Q2) will sport a better analog section, better digital processing, the ability to decode things like DSD, a faster HDMI board (the delay between when you see video and when you start hearing audio goes from about 4-6 seconds with the RSP-1572 to under a second with the RSP-1582 in my experience), AptX Bluetooth and balanced outputs for all channels.

                                                                    As it applies to listening to music and watching movies, an RSP-1572 will playback most everything that you can imagine short of Atmos. The RSP-1582 will not be replacing the RSP-1572.

                                                                    Regards,

                                                                    Patrick
                                                                    B&W Group North America
                                                                    Hi Patrick,
                                                                    Being a long time RSP-1098 user, how would you describe the sound of the RSP-1582? Would you say it was similar to the RSP-1098? i.e. The typical Rotel sound, neutral sounding?

                                                                    Thanks,
                                                                    Stephen
                                                                    My Home Theatre

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                                                                    • ZorgSpiff
                                                                      Junior Member
                                                                      • Oct 2014
                                                                      • 27

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Pictures from CES 2015
                                                                      As a brand, Rotel occupies a middle ground between the major AV manufacturers and boutique brands. Its design philosophy emphasizes sound quality and straight-forward design that evokes more expensive brands. Even so, it also manages to keep prices at levels that allow it to be competitive with...

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                                                                      • Patrick Butler
                                                                        Senior Member
                                                                        • Jan 2014
                                                                        • 164

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Hi Stephen,

                                                                        Most of the time I've spent with the RSP-1582 has been in beta testing the HDMI (which works fast and reliably.) Sound wise, what little time I've spent listening has shown the RSP-1582 to be locked firmly in the tradition of Rotel's sound- neutral and clear. I noticed an immediate improvement over the RSP-1572 that had been in the same system. I've not spent time with the RSP-1098, but I can say that there are parts available now that simply did not exist back when the RSP-1098 was designed that result in clearly better performance.

                                                                        As we get closer to shipping in Q2, I'll have more information that I can share regarding my experiences with performance.

                                                                        Regards,

                                                                        Patrick

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                                                                        • JDH
                                                                          Senior Member
                                                                          • Sep 2004
                                                                          • 270

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Is there any intention to include Atmos processing on the RSP-1582 either through a firmware update or otherwise. Considering the long upgrade cycles that Rotel has with its processors it would seem strange not to include Atmos processing. Basically I'll stick with my current RSP-1572 if the RSP-1582 won't include the latest processing. I'm not overly concerned about 2ch performance as I currently use a better quality 2ch pre with HT bypass feature.

                                                                          I suspect the RSP-1582 will appeal more to RSP-1098 owners as an upgrade.

                                                                          JDH


                                                                          Originally posted by Patrick Butler
                                                                          Hi Rich,

                                                                          There is nothing coming out that replaces the RMB-1585, which started shipping in late 2013.

                                                                          Regarding your RSP-1572, the RSP-1582 (which should start shipping in Q2) will sport a better analog section, better digital processing, the ability to decode things like DSD, a faster HDMI board (the delay between when you see video and when you start hearing audio goes from about 4-6 seconds with the RSP-1572 to under a second with the RSP-1582 in my experience), AptX Bluetooth and balanced outputs for all channels.

                                                                          As it applies to listening to music and watching movies, an RSP-1572 will playback most everything that you can imagine short of Atmos. The RSP-1582 will not be replacing the RSP-1572.

                                                                          Regards,

                                                                          Patrick
                                                                          B&W Group North America
                                                                          Last edited by JDH; 17 January 2015, 05:19 Saturday.
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                                                                          • whmacs
                                                                            Senior Member
                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                            • 184

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Patrick Butler
                                                                            Hi Stephen,

                                                                            Most of the time I've spent with the RSP-1582 has been in beta testing the HDMI (which works fast and reliably.) Sound wise, what little time I've spent listening has shown the RSP-1582 to be locked firmly in the tradition of Rotel's sound- neutral and clear. I noticed an immediate improvement over the RSP-1572 that had been in the same system. I've not spent time with the RSP-1098, but I can say that there are parts available now that simply did not exist back when the RSP-1098 was designed that result in clearly better performance.

                                                                            As we get closer to shipping in Q2, I'll have more information that I can share regarding my experiences with performance.

                                                                            Regards,

                                                                            Patrick
                                                                            Thanks Patrick,
                                                                            I really appreciate you taking the time to reply. That information is exactly what I was after. I do love the sound of my RSP-1098. If the RSP-1582 sounds at least as good as the RSP-1582, I will finally retire my RSP-1098.

                                                                            I would really appreciate it if you could post a link to the RSP-1582 owners manual when it becomes available.

                                                                            Regards,
                                                                            Stephen
                                                                            My Home Theatre

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                                                                            • Patrick Butler
                                                                              Senior Member
                                                                              • Jan 2014
                                                                              • 164

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Hi JDH,

                                                                              Atmos (and new Dolby technologies in general) are initially only available to big companies who do lots of business with Dolby (such as Onkyo, Yamaha, Denon etc.) This year the DSP engines that are necessary for processing Atmos become available to smaller manufacturers such as Rotel. I believe developer kits start rolling out shortly. These allow manufacturers to design products that will use these DSPs. In short, you are probably looking at late this year before you see Atmos from smaller manufacturers.

                                                                              The RSP-1582 a DSP board that can in principle be upgraded. That might include Atmos. I'm using lots of non-commital language because there are far more unknowns than knowns at this point in the development cycle. When? What cost?- not to mention feasibility. Personally I'm a big fan of Atmos. I think it is a fantastic tool for Sound Designers and I am passionate about film sound. That said, it will be quite some time before there is a sizable collection of media that you can purchase which features Atmos. I think there are only 4 discs to date.

                                                                              In the meantime, the RSP-1582 will be an appreciably better sounding preamp/processor than the RSP-1572, and this will benefit the thousands of existing Blu-ray discs already in circulation.

                                                                              Regards,

                                                                              Patrick
                                                                              B&W Group North America


                                                                              Originally posted by JDH
                                                                              Is there any intention to include Atmos processing on the RSP-1582 either through a firmware update or otherwise. Considering the long upgrade cycles that Rotel has with its processors it would seem strange not to include Atmos processing. Basically I'll stick with my current RSP-1572 if the RSP-1582 won't include the latest processing. I'm not overly concerned about 2ch performance as I currently use a better quality 2ch pre with HT bypass feature.

                                                                              I suspect the RSP-1582 will appeal more to RSP-1098 owners as an upgrade.

                                                                              JDH

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                                                                              • JDH
                                                                                Senior Member
                                                                                • Sep 2004
                                                                                • 270

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Thanks, good response, my desire to include ATMOS in my HT room is about 2 to possibly 3 years away as the surround sound format matures. Reading through the lines I think you are saying that ATMOS on the RSP-1582 may be possible to some extent in the future with no garantees. (Probably limited to 5.1.2). I suspect due to my timeframe and that I already use a good quality 2ch pre for music that possibly I'll end up seeing full ATMOS introduced into the RSP-1572 replacement than the RSP-1582.

                                                                                Considering I've owned a RSP-1066, RSP-1068, RSP-1069 and currently a RSP-1572. It is highly likely the next one will be a Rotel, just get a bit frustrated with the lag of included features sometimes.

                                                                                JDH
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                                                                                • BWLover
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                                                                                  • Jan 2009
                                                                                  • 552

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Thanks for the information Patrick.

                                                                                  Now I'm torn between the RC-1580 for a completely analogue pre-amp, and the RC-1590 for the better dac then the RDD-1580. [emoji21]


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                                                                                  • lastexit
                                                                                    Member
                                                                                    • Feb 2011
                                                                                    • 65

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by BWLover
                                                                                    I'm torn between the RC-1580 for a completely analogue pre-amp, and the RC-1590 for the better dac then the RDD-1580.[emoji21]
                                                                                    Wait for the RC-1590

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                                                                                    • Lex
                                                                                      Moderator Emeritus
                                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                                      • 27461

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Patrick, it is so good to share in information both for currently being introduced products, as well as what is in the pipeline, and as well, the reasoning for new technologies not bing introduced until they "trickle down" to smaller manufacturers. Thanks.

                                                                                      Doug
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                                                                                      Doug
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                                                                                      • whmacs
                                                                                        Senior Member
                                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                                        • 184

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Hi Patrick,
                                                                                        Reading the spec sheets for the RSP-1582, it mentions that the unit has HDMI pass thru when in standby mode. Can you switch HDMI inputs when in standby or does it pass thru a preconfigured hdmi input?

                                                                                        Regards,
                                                                                        Stephen
                                                                                        My Home Theatre

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                                                                                        • hometheaternut
                                                                                          Junior Member
                                                                                          • Oct 2014
                                                                                          • 13

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Hello Patrick,

                                                                                          Will there be any zone pre-outs on Rotel RSP-1582. The back panel pictures show none. Also, must importantly will the HDMI connections include HDCP 2.2 version for 4K ULTRA HD copy compliant contect?

                                                                                          Thank You.

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