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  • BOBinGA
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 303

    Capacitor loading a woofer in a small box

    I've been trying to get to this project since last Christmas, but somehow life got in the way. Today I finally got far enough along that I thought I would share some interesting observations on capacitor loading a woofer in a small box. My goal here is a small bookshelf sized speaker with bass that doesn't require a subwoofer. If you have been considering using this technique, you might find this interesting.

    My test box (which I assume will eventually be a real finished box at some point) is a small, sealed 3/8 cu.ft. In it, I put a moderately priced 8" woofer. Normally, a woofer this size in a box this small would not be recommended because the Q gets rather high. Indeed, I get a Q of about 1.0 with the box fully stuffed. This is actually not too bad since it results in a bass hump of only about 1.5 db and its listenable as is, but still not ideal.

    Here are the modeled and ACTUAL close mic'ed measured response:

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    Sorry about the picture quality. The top window is WinISD modeling of the woofer in various sized boxes. The line that extends farthest into the bass region is a rather large 2.5 cu.ft. ported box. Not bad, but 2.5 cu.ft. is not a bookshelf speaker. Next, the top line at 150 hz is the same woofer in 3/8 cu.ft. stuffed and sealed. Finally, the lower line is the woofer in a 1.0 cu.ft. stuffed and sealed box which yields a Q of about .75. But even 1.0 cu.ft. is a bit much for a bookshelf speaker.

    Now look at the bottom gragh. This is the actual ARTA measured response in 3/8 cu.ft. stuffed and sealed. The top graph has no capacitive loading. The lower graph has 500 uF in series with the woofer. I stretched both the WinISD and ARTA graphs so that they are the same scale on both the frequency and SPL axises for direct comparison. Notice the SPL scale is just 2db per division in the ARTA graph so the roll off is not quite as sharp as it looks. Pretty amazing match to the WinISD model, isn't it.

    The cap loading does flatten out the response very well and it extends the bass response a little as well. Frankly, I was hoping for more bass extension using this technique, but if you compare it to the modeled 1.0 cu.ft. sealed box, its almost identical down to 60 hz. I guess this isn't too bad after all. You get the response of a 1.0 cu.ft box in a .375 cu.ft. box.

    I'll reveal more details as I get further along, but for now, I just wanted to show the effects of capacitor loading a woofer in a smaller than optimal box. It works well, but you can't expect the bass extension miracles that some have suggested for this trick. Its good for a project like this, but I'm not so sure it would help a sub that much.

    -Bob
    Last edited by theSven; 17 August 2023, 18:33 Thursday. Reason: Update image location
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  • PMazz
    Senior Member
    • May 2001
    • 861

    #2
    If the bottom graph is a .375 ^3ft enclosure with and w/o a cap, why do both graphs look just like the predicted freq response of a 1^3ft box? I would have expected a much higher Q in that small of an enclosure (w/o a cap).
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    • BOBinGA
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2009
      • 303

      #3
      PMazz,
      If you take out that little bump at 80hz and the lower line (with the added capacitance) looks pretty darn close to the modeled 1 cu.ft. box. It doesn't have that peak between 100 and 200 hz. That's sort of my point. You can use a much smaller box if you add the capacitance. The only penalty that I can see is that it ultimately rolls off quicker once you get below about 50 hz.

      With this small of a box, I was expecting a higher Q too. But that is not the case. In fact, every manufacturer of mid grade consumer speakers probably uses this alignment in most of their sealed speakers. A Q of 1 can sound pleasantly plump. But we are after more accuracy here, so the capacitor trick is one possible solution to negate the small rise is upper bass frequencies caused by the higher Q of a small box.

      When I get a chance, I will run the actual TS parameters in the box both with and without the caps. When I ran this woofer on a .3 cu.ft. test box, the Q came out to 1.3 without stuffing. With the slightly larger volumn and stuffing with this box, a Q of 1.0 is about what I would expect without the caps.

      -Bob
      -Bob

      The PEDS 2.1 mini system
      My A7 Project - another small desktop speaker
      The B3 Hybrid Dipole - thread incomplete and outdated

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      • JonMarsh
        Mad Max Moderator
        • Aug 2000
        • 15282

        #4
        This is the same thing I did with the Modula Xtreme build, though somewhat larger boxes and a lower Fb. Some British makers used to use this trick to get smaller boxes with a reasonable Q; the roll off is at 18 dB per octave, but with the right driver parameters you can get both bass extension (deeper bass) and the desired Q in a smaller size box. Generally, it works better with drivers with a higher starting Q- say, 0.45 to 0.5.

        This shows a range of measured response curves for a Seas Revelator 10" aluminum cone driver in a 1 cu ft box, the black with no cap, the others with different series cap sizes, some too large, some too small! And one close to just right.... the blue curve value was used for the build. This was tested near field.


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        • PMazz
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          • May 2001
          • 861

          #5
          Oops!! I misread your initial description. Coffee hadn't kicked in yet.
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