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Great job!! To my ears the Tang Band's take a while to break-in, so the midrange should sound smoother with more break-in time. I don't know if it's because of the closed mid chamber, but break-in seemed to have more variance than with the Statements. I read your post last night and was excited to know what your impressions would be. Thanks for making this post, I enjoyed following along and I'm glad you like the speaker! Good pictures too, I've saved them to my PC. :TComment
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I agree with FroDaddy that the W4s do sound better after some break in. It's pretty dramatic actually. Some don't believe in break in, but I just trust my ears and since I've dealt with many many W4s, that's what I tell anyone building a design that uses them.
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I believe in break-in as well. That is why I've been feeding the 2RCC test tone sweeps all day. Every time I go downstairs for something I think something is going horrible wrong when I hear some rumbling, then I remember it is just the speaker and test tones.
I gave another listen about 30 minutes ago. I couldn't tell a difference (and wasn't expecting to). Even if the speaker doesn't get any better or smoother, I'm still VERY excited to have this addition. If anyone is thinking about building this, it's a no brainer!The Old Woods Theater
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Nice looking CC deewan! You've got a nice setup there. What is the sub?Statements: "They usually kill the desire to build anything else."Comment
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Thanks John. The sub is a Paradigm DSP-10. I really like it. The Paradigm blends perfect with the Statements. I have not gone the DIY route yet for a sub because the Paradigm performs so well.The Old Woods Theater
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I think that room calls for an IB sub
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I've thought about it. I have a storage/laundry room off to the left of thise room. Might be perfect if I can somehow isolate the sound to only those two rooms.Originally posted by DeathMonkI think that room calls for an IB subThe Old Woods Theater
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Oh my friend, you do not know what a real sub can add... :twisted:Comment
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I know I don't have the greatest sub system, but my current setup has never left me feeling like, "Wow, I really need to upgrade." If I find a design that inspires me, I wouldn't think it would be much more than 2 weeks and I'd have the Paradigm up for sale.
The one thing I don't want is to take up additional floor space with a new sub system. Like I said, I do have the storage room next door that I can build the cabinet and have it fire through the AT fabric on the bottom of my wall into the room.The Old Woods Theater
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Come on over. Better yet, head over to CJD's place and listen to his 4xTempest-X IB in a tiny room. We'll have you lusting for more. :twisted:
Floor space is always an issue. I hear you. If you're happy, don't let us spend your money. It is good to sometimes ignore people on the internet.
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That's what my mom always told me.Originally posted by ---k---It is good to sometimes ignore people on the internet.
I've actually read your sub building thread a few times when thinking about upgrading. I even remember looking to see where you live in hopes you would be close enough that I could either hear your sub from my place if you turned it up enough or drive to hear it. :WThe Old Woods Theater
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If you are interested in a new D4 with Seas 22tafG I'll develop it for the board. I'd just need the drivers from you.Originally posted by deewanComment
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Thanks for the offer Jed. I sent back the Tang Band yesterday because I couldn't decide what I wanted to do. I might hire or ask you at some point to help out with some on wall speakers using the Fountek NeoCd1.0 1.5" Ribbon Tweeter, Tang Band W4, and Dayton RS150S. If those would even work well together. I am looking to build on wall surround speakers using similiar drivers as the Statements but also wanting to keep the cost down since I would need 3 pairs (6 speakers total).The Old Woods Theater
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I'd be happy to help. One question though is did Fountek discontinue the CD1.0? I don't see it on the official site anymore... at least the last I checked.Comment
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They may have been discountinued. I noticed Madisound is selling them cheap. Something like $35. That might be a sign I need to make sure I buy 6 of them but also means the whatever work would be done would not help others in the future.Originally posted by Jed
What all would be involved in such an undertaking? I would supply you with the drivers. Would I also need to design and/or send a cabinet your way?
BTW - I had some friends come over and see the new center channel. Their first reaction was HOLY SH*T! Both thought it sounded amazing. This speaker may have convinced one of them to build the Statements AND a 2RCC since he now feels they sound better than his Definitive Tech BP7004 super towersThe Old Woods Theater
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:TOriginally posted by deewan
PS; I sent you a PM about your other questions.Comment
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Love your CC...now I want to build one too :E no wait ... I want to build more speakers and keep building them for rest of my life
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Thanks. Jed did an amazing job with the modifications to The Statement on it's side. ;x(Originally posted by jyqureshi
This hobby is VERY addicting. I started building speakers to get rid of my addiction of building home theaters. Now I'm addicting to DIY speakers. This must be the feeling smokers get when they use the nicotine gum to quit smoking and get addicted to the gum. :MThe Old Woods Theater
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He had to think about it???? :rofl:Originally posted by deewan
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I think it is the fact he spent nearly $2500 on his front three speakers and I spent about $1500. It takes some time to think about how a person can spend $1000 more and get LESS performance and sound. But now he's turned that corned and Jim will soon have another faithful followers. The kool-aid has been consumed.Originally posted by Jim Holtz
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Actually, I would estimate that your Statements setup is more expensive. I would imagine that you easily spent more than $1000 on labor - it was just happened to be all free labor.
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HA! I only make $7.50 an hour and the Statement build only took me 3 hours to complete. So I only have $22.50 invested in labor. And by the time I take out taxes, more like $16. So I still win. LOL
Seriously though, you do bring up a good point about my labor being free. I don't know how much time I actually spent, but like many of us, when you enjoy doing this it isn't "work". And of course I didn't include the new tools I bought to complete the job. Regardless of price I spent and price he spent, I would bet good money if you set his Def Tech's next to my Statements, the Statements would win every category except finish. His Def Techs do have a nice piano black finish and I've yet to try that. Maybe with my next bookshelf build.The Old Woods Theater
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Nice build, nice thread, nice pics ... WOW man!
This has got me convinced ... I will build a 2RCC after the statements are done
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Thanks! You won't be disappointed with either. The Statements are amazing and the 2RCC is a great match for those who can't use the Statement CC.Originally posted by AdelaaRNice build, nice thread, nice pics ... WOW man!
This has got me convinced ... I will build a 2RCC after the statements are doneThe Old Woods Theater
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You just can't count the labor on things like these.Originally posted by ---k---Actually, I would estimate that your Statements setup is more expensive. I would imagine that you easily spent more than $1000 on labor - it was just happened to be all free labor.
On the contrary: if we wouldn't be building speakers we would probably be spending money in the local pub or doing other silly things, right?Comment
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Hi... Just started reading about the center speaker. have a quick question
Is this version of the statement speaker still 8 omh?Comment
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Sorry, none of the Statements speakers are 8 ohms. All are rated are 4-5 ohms.Originally posted by rlantgua
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Thanks Jim... I guess I'm out of luck. I have a Sony receiver DH820Comment
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Hi Deewan/Frodaddy, im just about to build my center speaker and wondered if the BOM.pdf from Frodaddy's original post was up to date or had anything been changed? also are the crossover pics from post #11 up to date? this is probably going to be my first crossover build and a bit I'm nervous that i get it correct. i know this post is almost 5 years old now so im wondering how the speaker performs now its well and truly tested. it looks awesome!
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The BOM and crossover have not changed. I believe there were only a few of these speakers out in the wild, but they are amazing. I sold my 2RCC about 4 years ago along with my Statements and built Jed's Dynamics. So I can't personally speak to the longevity of the speaker. But my buddy who bought it from me still enjoys it and hasn't asked for any help repairing or rebuilding it.The Old Woods Theater
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awesome, thanks for your help deewanComment
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just out of curiosity, could i use 2in wedge foam instead of the 1in sound barrier? i have enough left over from my statement tower build so i was hoping to use it, if not no problem it doesn't matter really just thought id ask.Comment
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I'm pretty much ready to put one of these together. I liked my original center very much but it sits under my TV panel, in a av/tv stand. It always sounded small and never fit well with the full size statements. It's a room problem, not a design one.
Anyway, as a last ditch, I really would like to know what would be done to make this centers alignment the same as the mains, only horrizontal. Sealed, it looks like it would be about 44" which is fine with me. I'm not really a fan of this centers alignments, maybe it's an ocd thing but I'm willing to live with it. But not without confirming that what I'm asking isn't reasonable. Thanks for your time gents....Psudo HTPC, Nuforce AVP 16, Emotiva XPA 5, Statements mains and center, Dayton in wall rears, Twin Tempest X 7CUFT sealed, and very cool and understanding wife!Comment
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I want to make sure I am understanding you correctly. You are wanting to build this center channel but instead of the designed driver layout, you want them to be center aligned horizontally? Basically a full Statement laid on it's side?
If that is correct, that design change would require a crossover redesign.The Old Woods Theater
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Yes, and that's about what I figured. X over design is way outside of my skill and knowledge level. I'll just build this one.Psudo HTPC, Nuforce AVP 16, Emotiva XPA 5, Statements mains and center, Dayton in wall rears, Twin Tempest X 7CUFT sealed, and very cool and understanding wife!Comment
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Hi!
Going for my first real attempt on building proper speakers. Only buildt subwoofers etc before.
I have even another take on this mythical speaker!
Been really fascinated by the statements, and the comments and feedback had me convinced.
Only thing is, I want to build a LCR-setup, and my problem is depth behind the AT-screen. So I figured the 2RCC would be great, as I dont have much space behind the screen. But it was still to deep.
What I have done then is kept the internal volumes from the 2RCC, but shaped it a bit different, its not so deep, but higher, same goes for chamber for tweeter/mid. And since I`m having them standing up, I have used the layout of the woofers/mid/tweeter from the original Statements. Is this completely bonkers, or should this sound about the same as the 2RCC? I was planning on using the 2RCC crossover as well. So in short: same volumes as the 2RCC on both chambers but different proportions, and the WMTMW layout from the original. All measurements are in metrics.
So and thoughts? Attached illustration of what I`m thinking doing.
Any feedback is very welcome!
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Well, it's not completely bonkers, but I'm afraid I have to break some bad news to you. With that driver layout, the 2RCC crossover isn't ideal. The original statement crossover also won't work.
If you are going for an AT screen really want these drivers, lucky for you speaker orientation isn't a big deal. You could do three 2RCC laying horizontally with the correct 2RCC driver layouts and crossovers, just with more width to the sides for the offer chamber. Keep the baffle height the same at the original design.The Old Woods Theater
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Ok thank you very much for the quick response guys!
So bascily whats essential is keeping the layout of the MTM and the chamber behind and X-over..?
One more take on this, as I probably will develop OCD due to the fact that the tweeter will noe be centered in my center channel if I rotate the 2RCC standing up (with the correct layout.)
But.. what if.. I rotate the chamber with the MTM? as quickly sketched below? maybe even making the baffle a bit thicker where the red markup is..? Keeping the layout, keeping the chamber behind.?
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I'd think you are getting closer, however you now have the problem of a narrow baffle width with that midrange and tweeter layout.
Unless you build the speakers as designed the performance cannot be guaranteed. They might sound ok, they might be better than what you are used too. But they may have serious performance issues.The Old Woods Theater
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Ok, once again thank for trying to help a desperate/eager newbie!
Ok but can't that be addressed rather easily by just adding 3/4 of an inch or so to the width of the baffle(at least around the MTM). Then the baffle would be about the same width as the original 2rcc. I understand this is somewhat gambling, and he result will be somewhat unknown. But I`m trying to get as close as possible, and eliminate as many problems as I can, cause i`m in no shape to redesign the crossover.
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Actually you're talking about baffle height not width when you rotate the speaker cabinet and rearrange the drivers. The center cabinets are all 30+ inches. When you rotate the cabinet, the baffle width becomes 11"-12". That makes a significant difference and impacts the crossover.
Since you want a vertical center, how about building one Finalist in a shallower and taller cabinet. The crossover is designed to be positioned close wall and sealed mids so you'd have flexibility. Voicing it the same as the Statements. Taller is fine and as long as you don't get too shallow, you'll be OK. If you get too shallow you'll have issues with internal midrange reflections. Also, regardless of design, the tweeter should be at ear height or pointed at your face.
The bottom line is, this is DIY (you're the Y) and you can do whatever you want but, it'll no longer be as designed and there are no guarantees it'll sound as designed.
Good luck!
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Hi again and thank you! Starting to see that my modification plans might be overambitious. So If I just make three of the 2RCC and have then standing up vertical as I interpreted deewan earlier, will be my best shot at getting something similar to the statements behind my screen..?
And as for the finalist, Im really found of ribbon tweeters. therefor the statements.Comment
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No, you can't stand a center channel speaker on it's end in any position. The crossover is designed to lobe upward and to the sides. Position them on their end and it really screws up the dispersion.
The center is the most important speaker in a home theater system but it's also the least important when it comes to ribbon vs dome. I prefer ribbons on the mains but center and surround wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.
When Curt voices speakers, he uses his Uber Exclamation design as the reference. It's a 3-way with Accuton mids and Hiquphon tweeters. He spends hours listening, measuring and tweaking to get the sound just right before signing off on the design.
I think you'll have to make some compromises if you want to build Statements or alter the home theater to accommodate them.
HTH
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