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  • ThomasW
    Moderator Emeritus
    • Aug 2000
    • 10934

    Pssst, want a sneek peek at a brand new driver?

    Can't say too much at this point, product rollout will be in a few weeks. Brand new company (Jon and I are not affiliated with them, but from time to time we get insider info ).

    I can say there are several sizes ranging from 12" -18"'s. They use the XBL^2 motor technology (for those that don't know this means significantly lower distortion ).

    Here's a peak at the 15", note the Fs, the Xmax, the cast VC and spider vents ....... :T

    Fs 15.7 Hz
    Qms 3.5
    Qes .34
    Qts .305
    Vas 300.6 liters
    Re 3.2 ohms
    Znom 4 ohms
    Sd 749 cm^2
    xmax 27+

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    "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson
  • cdwitmer
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2004
    • 136

    #2
    I think this is going to make a lot of bass freaks VERY horn-y! How many pounds of flesh will it be selling for?

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    • ThomasW
      Moderator Emeritus
      • Aug 2000
      • 10934

      #3
      XBL^2 technology drivers aren't cheap. Best 'guesstimate' for the 15" is ~$329. That's compares to $499 for the Adire 15" Tumult.

      Below is a pic of the 15" sitting beside a Tempest (note that it's still comparatively shallow for a very high excursion 15")

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      IB subwoofer FAQ page


      "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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      • Jerry Pease
        Member
        • Aug 2000
        • 37

        #4
        Interesting. I am in the market for a couple of 15" drivers. Competition is good. Speaking of which, I am curious, how is it that another company gets to use Adire's technology? Did they license it from Adire?
        JP

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        • ThomasW
          Moderator Emeritus
          • Aug 2000
          • 10934

          #5
          Licensing is the only way to get the XBL^2 technology.

          Edit:

          This is a pic of the 'smallest' 12" driver in the product line. It's not the 18".

          Pricing will be approx $165, sweet price for the XBR^2 technology

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          IB subwoofer FAQ page


          "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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          • Brandon B
            Super Senior Member
            • Jun 2001
            • 2193

            #6
            I feel like I'm looking at naughty pictures. Hope my HE15's don't catch me at it.

            BB

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            • aud19
              Twin Moderator Emeritus
              • Aug 2003
              • 16706

              #7
              :drool:

              Jason
              Jason

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              • cdwitmer
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2004
                • 136

                #8
                Driver envy

                Got any specs on the 18? What sort of efficiencies are we looking at?

                There are many ways that 15 could be used, but I would love to hear it in a large, well designed bass horn . . . sort of like this one cast from concrete, using 12 Altec 515 woofers:

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                • ThomasW
                  Moderator Emeritus
                  • Aug 2000
                  • 10934

                  #9
                  Got any specs on the 18? What sort of efficiencies are we looking at?
                  Nope no additional info at this time. My understanding is that they will be somewhat more efficient as compared to something like the BluePrints.

                  But as Hoffman's Iron law dictates, high excursion combined with low Fs means modest efficiency.

                  IB subwoofer FAQ page


                  "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                  • ThomasW
                    Moderator Emeritus
                    • Aug 2000
                    • 10934

                    #10
                    Oops I goofed, that's not a picture of the 18", it's a picture of the one of the 12"s........ ops: ops:

                    In the not to distant future we'll get our hands on a couple of these drivers for testing ...... That should be fun since I've never played with an XBL^2 driver before ........ :T

                    IB subwoofer FAQ page


                    "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                    • Kevin P
                      Member
                      • Aug 2000
                      • 10809

                      #11
                      Didn't one of those things crash land in Roswell in 1947? A big government cover up and all. :lol:

                      It's a cool looking driver. I half expect a hatch to open and little gray critters with big black eyes to come out any time...

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                      • sfdoddsy
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2000
                        • 496

                        #12
                        They look to be very tasty dipole drivers.

                        :P
                        Steve's OB Journey

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                        • ThomasW
                          Moderator Emeritus
                          • Aug 2000
                          • 10934

                          #13
                          They look to be very tasty dipole drivers.
                          Hehehe..... they're even better than you think. :wink:

                          They've done some special things with the VCs to make dipole use even better. I can't go into specifics at this time. But the "dial-a-Q" (RDO) concept gets even better options with these particular drivers ......... :T

                          IB subwoofer FAQ page


                          "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                          • JonMarsh
                            Mad Max Moderator
                            • Aug 2000
                            • 15259

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ThomasW
                            Hehehe..... they're even better than you think. :wink:

                            They've done some special things with the VCs to make dipole use even better. I can't go into specifics at this time. But the "dial-a-Q" (RDO) concept gets even better options with these particular drivers ......... :T
                            Yes, this is a pretty impressive product line-up- for breadth and capability, as well as some of the special features Tom's hinting at above.

                            Competition is a very good thing.... :T
                            the AudioWorx
                            Natalie P
                            M8ta
                            Modula Neo DCC
                            Modula MT XE
                            Modula Xtreme
                            Isiris
                            Wavecor Ardent

                            SMJ
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                            Calliope
                            Ardent D

                            In Development...
                            Isiris Mk II updates- in final test stage!
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                            Natalie P Ultra
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                            Resistance is not futile, it is Volts divided by Amperes...
                            Just ask Mr. Ohm....

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                            • Andrew Pratt
                              Moderator Emeritus
                              • Aug 2000
                              • 16507

                              #15
                              Sounds like a great driver at a nice price for what you're getting...esp compared to the Adire counterparts:T

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                              • David Meek
                                Moderator Emeritus
                                • Aug 2000
                                • 8938

                                #16
                                Irascible but efficacious...
                                Uh, Jon? Prone to tempermental outbursts but effective? Okeedokee. . . . :
                                .

                                David - Trigger-happy HTGuide Admin

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                                • Dennis H
                                  Ultra Senior Member
                                  • Aug 2002
                                  • 3791

                                  #17
                                  Well, just look at his avatar. "Great Caesar's Ghost!"

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                                  • Paul H
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Feb 2004
                                    • 904

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Dennis H
                                    Well, just look at his avatar. "Great Caesar's Ghost!"
                                    Jon quietly added that avatar a while ago when there was a bit of a "back to the future" discussion on about his new (old) thousand pound projector.

                                    Or is that your picture Jon and you just happen to look like a certain movie mad scientist?

                                    Paul

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                                    • JonMarsh
                                      Mad Max Moderator
                                      • Aug 2000
                                      • 15259

                                      #19
                                      Doc Emmet Brown has a bit more hair, and a lighter color than mine, but the overall effect when I first get up in the morning is surprisingly similar....


                                      Regarding the signature line, that was modified more recently, and is a nod to my old friend Charles Hansen and the tag line they use at Ayre for this conditioning CD which they offer along with their equipment- "irrational but efficacious" (i.e., they don't know a logical reason why it seems to work on a system the way it does, but it does work, to their ears), and given the couple of times recently which after a number of exchanged posts I reponded more firmly and perhaps testily about the one-sided-ness of some one's position, and my right to offer a countervailing view; well, the irrascible seems appropriate on those particular days, soooooooo, hence, the new tagline.

                                      A joke of sorts and reference to a friend....

                                      Another possible interpretation- even if you get me riled up a bit, I'm still trying to help solve the problem- as honestly as I can from MY perspective.

                                      I go through a bit of that at work, too, being an Applications engineer. Rarely irrasciable, unless some marketing or Sales guy continues to try to go down the wrong road repeatedly.... :B


                                      ~Jon
                                      the AudioWorx
                                      Natalie P
                                      M8ta
                                      Modula Neo DCC
                                      Modula MT XE
                                      Modula Xtreme
                                      Isiris
                                      Wavecor Ardent

                                      SMJ
                                      Minerva Monitor
                                      Calliope
                                      Ardent D

                                      In Development...
                                      Isiris Mk II updates- in final test stage!
                                      Obi-Wan
                                      Saint-Saëns Symphonique/AKA SMJ-40
                                      Modula PWB
                                      Calliope CC Supreme
                                      Natalie P Ultra
                                      Natalie P Supreme
                                      Janus BP1 Sub


                                      Resistance is not futile, it is Volts divided by Amperes...
                                      Just ask Mr. Ohm....

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                                      • Jerry Pease
                                        Member
                                        • Aug 2000
                                        • 37

                                        #20
                                        marketing or Sales guy continues to try to go down the wrong road repeatedly
                                        what you talking about???? that NEVER happens.
                                        JP

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                                        • Hank
                                          Super Senior Member
                                          • Jul 2002
                                          • 1345

                                          #21
                                          some marketing or Sales guy continues to try to go down the wrong road repeatedly....
                                          Now that NEVER happens around here...oh no, never, never :T

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                                          • sfdoddsy
                                            Senior Member
                                            • Sep 2000
                                            • 496

                                            #22
                                            I don't suppose these puppies have shiny aluminium cones?

                                            Steve
                                            Steve's OB Journey

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                                            • ThomasW
                                              Moderator Emeritus
                                              • Aug 2000
                                              • 10934

                                              #23
                                              Nope the cones are pulp, with carbon fiber inverted dust caps. I don't have any pics of the fronts of the drivers.

                                              Metal cones would increase the price a ton, and provide no improvement in performance

                                              IB subwoofer FAQ page


                                              "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                                              • Jerry Pease
                                                Member
                                                • Aug 2000
                                                • 37

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by ThomasW
                                                Licensing is the only way to get the XBL^2 technology.

                                                Edit:

                                                This is a pic of the 'smallest' 12" driver in the product line. It's not the 18".

                                                Pricing will be approx $165, sweet price for the XBR^2 technology
                                                I didn't see anyone noticing your edit but, Oh my, 165$ that is pretty sweet. any parameters available?
                                                JP

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                                                • ThomasW
                                                  Moderator Emeritus
                                                  • Aug 2000
                                                  • 10934

                                                  #25
                                                  These are the 'fixed' parameters for the 4 ohm 4-layer VC

                                                  Fs 23.2 Hz
                                                  Qms 4.9
                                                  Vas 128.5 Liters
                                                  Re 2.8 ohms
                                                  Znom 4
                                                  Sd 481 cm^2
                                                  xmax 18+ mm

                                                  There's a second VC, it's not 4 ohms. That's all I can put in print at this time

                                                  IB subwoofer FAQ page


                                                  "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                                                  • cdwitmer
                                                    Senior Member
                                                    • Sep 2004
                                                    • 136

                                                    #26
                                                    Aargh! A second VC of different impedance can only mean one thing -- this subwoofer can be fully powered by one coil, with the other coil used for feedback or other nifty means of control. I did not want to read that. I did not want to read that. (Peeks inside wallet and starts counting cash.)

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                                                    • Bent
                                                      Super Senior Member
                                                      • Sep 2003
                                                      • 1570

                                                      #27
                                                      Yup, possibly even for active excursion control (a simple accellerometer???)

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                                                      • ThomasW
                                                        Moderator Emeritus
                                                        • Aug 2000
                                                        • 10934

                                                        #28
                                                        Initially there will be the 12" driver shown above and a 15", both with the unique VC's arrangement and 18mm Xmax.

                                                        In addition there will be the 15" shown above and an 18", both with BIG motors (almost 9" diameter magnets), 27mm Xmax, and a standard VC arrangement.

                                                        All the drivers will have the XBL^2 technology

                                                        At this point in time I've said all I can say. In a couple of weeks there will be more info......... :wink:

                                                        IB subwoofer FAQ page


                                                        "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                                                        • JonMarsh
                                                          Mad Max Moderator
                                                          • Aug 2000
                                                          • 15259

                                                          #29
                                                          You're such a tease, Thomas....
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                                                          Natalie P
                                                          M8ta
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                                                          Modula Xtreme
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                                                          SMJ
                                                          Minerva Monitor
                                                          Calliope
                                                          Ardent D

                                                          In Development...
                                                          Isiris Mk II updates- in final test stage!
                                                          Obi-Wan
                                                          Saint-Saëns Symphonique/AKA SMJ-40
                                                          Modula PWB
                                                          Calliope CC Supreme
                                                          Natalie P Ultra
                                                          Natalie P Supreme
                                                          Janus BP1 Sub


                                                          Resistance is not futile, it is Volts divided by Amperes...
                                                          Just ask Mr. Ohm....

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                                                          • David Meek
                                                            Moderator Emeritus
                                                            • Aug 2000
                                                            • 8938

                                                            #30
                                                            Yeah, but he's an effective tease Jon. :B I can already hear the heavy panting from Hank, Jerry, Steve, Chris, etc.
                                                            .

                                                            David - Trigger-happy HTGuide Admin

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                                                            • BrianJD
                                                              Junior Member
                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                              • 21

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by David Meek
                                                              heavy panting from
                                                              me too.

                                                              So many new drivers being released lately.
                                                              I was never really interested in plate amps until I saw the new Adire ADA series. http://adireaudio.com/
                                                              But, if these XBL^2 woofers are going to use feedback maybe I should wait on getting in on the ADA pre order sale???
                                                              Does the name "Exodus" mean anything here?
                                                              Thanks

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                                                              • ThomasW
                                                                Moderator Emeritus
                                                                • Aug 2000
                                                                • 10934

                                                                #32
                                                                A feedback circuit isn't provided with the drivers. I'm sure the mfgr would create one if there is enough interest.

                                                                Just so people don't get confused, I'll restate, that these drivers are coming from a brand new company. It's are not affiliated with Adire. They license the XBL^2 technology from Adire, but there is no 'sharing' of engineering other than that.

                                                                Does the name "Exodus" mean anything here?
                                                                Not that I'm aware of.....

                                                                IB subwoofer FAQ page


                                                                "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                                                                • robertwb70
                                                                  Member
                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                  • 59

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by BrianJD
                                                                  Does the name "Exodus" mean anything here?
                                                                  Thanks
                                                                  it was a PWM "digital" amp from DIYcable.com(using the zappulse modules)-but it has disappeared from their website...
                                                                  =+=+=+=+=+=+=
                                                                  "The appreciation of music is subjective.The reproduction of music isn't."-Bill Dudleston

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                                                                  • Jerry Pease
                                                                    Member
                                                                    • Aug 2000
                                                                    • 37

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by ThomasW
                                                                    Not that I'm aware of.....
                                                                    I dont feel alone anymore. ops:
                                                                    JP

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                                                                    • BrianJD
                                                                      Junior Member
                                                                      • Jun 2004
                                                                      • 21

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by robertwb70
                                                                      it was a PWM "digital" amp from DIYcable.com(using the zappulse modules)-but it has disappeared from their website...
                                                                      Its still there, under the LC Audio link.

                                                                      IIRC "Exodus" was supposed to be DIYcables' speaker company using Adires XBL^2 drivers. I heard there was to be several kits including a servo sub. The Exodus speaker link seems to be gone :cry: , but now the 'Exodus' name is being used for several different products.

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                                                                      • Bent
                                                                        Super Senior Member
                                                                        • Sep 2003
                                                                        • 1570

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Exodus Audio made the WMD sub, No?

                                                                        a Tumult in a wee box with better than 1 kW driving it

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                                                                        • cdwitmer
                                                                          Senior Member
                                                                          • Sep 2004
                                                                          • 136

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Here's a tip for overcoming spousal resistance to purchase of these drivers:

                                                                          The drivers should be sold with a broad nylon belt. Hook up the belt, wrap it around your waist, and play a 20 Hz test signal through the woofers at high volume. "Look honey! It's an exercise machine! I'll be as slim as the day we got married in no time!"

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                                                                          • goskers
                                                                            Senior Member
                                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                                            • 106

                                                                            #38
                                                                            I saw these drivers posted on the Mad board and they did peak my interest. Anybody have a clue how these would compare to say the TC Sounds TC2+ woofers? I would be using them in a dipole arrangement if that matters.

                                                                            Thanks,
                                                                            wasser

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                                                                            • ThomasW
                                                                              Moderator Emeritus
                                                                              • Aug 2000
                                                                              • 10934

                                                                              #39
                                                                              I saw these drivers posted on the Mad board and they did peak my interest
                                                                              Show me the posts please I missed them....
                                                                              Anybody have a clue how these would compare to say the TC Sounds TC2+ woofers?
                                                                              Obviously one could speculate, but having them for testing will provide a better answer to your question.

                                                                              IB subwoofer FAQ page


                                                                              "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                                                                              • goskers
                                                                                Senior Member
                                                                                • Jun 2004
                                                                                • 106

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Here is the link to the main post with a smaller one above it that is related.



                                                                                Either way, these new breed of drivers do seem to be very interesting. I will be very interested to see how they test.

                                                                                wasser

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                                                                                • ThomasW
                                                                                  Moderator Emeritus
                                                                                  • Aug 2000
                                                                                  • 10934

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Yeap these are Chad's drivers. Since he popped the bubble I'm just going to quote his text, it contains a bit more data than I was originally given the okay to post.

                                                                                  These drivers were actually all designed by me, and are being built here in the U.S. I have never even met or talked to Dan Wiggins. I simply licensed XBL^2 technology from Adire Audio, and implemented it in my subwoofer designs. I have owned a custom speaker/home theater design company for several years, and have built a LOT of custom speakers, subwoofers, and dedicated theater/music rooms. I have had this DIY speaker company planned in my head for years.

                                                                                  There is almost too much information to list. My website will be up in a week or so with everything much more clearly explained. There are initially two different subwoofer lines. Both feature brand new motors utilizing XBL^2 technology. I designed each for some pretty specific goals.

                                                                                  The "larger" motor features 27+ mm of xmax. It uses a single magnet nearly 9 inches in diameter. It will be available in both a 15 and an 18 inch version. Both drivers will be priced under $400. (The 15 incher will probably be priced at $329) Here are some preliminary specs on the 15 inch version with this motor:

                                                                                  Re 3.2 ohms (1.6 per coil)
                                                                                  Znom 4 ohms
                                                                                  Fs 15.7 Hz
                                                                                  Vas 300.6
                                                                                  Qms 3.5
                                                                                  Qes .34
                                                                                  Qts .305
                                                                                  Sd 749 cm^2
                                                                                  xmax 27+ mm

                                                                                  I designed this motor with the idea of using all of its excursion with only 500-800 watts, rather than 1000 to 1500 watts needed for most high excursion subwoofers. Not only do you spend less money to power it, but you also end up with considerably less thermal compression. It still has the ability to use small enclosure sizes.

                                                                                  The second line of subwoofers was designed to offer massive bang-for-the-buck. Again, they feature new motors I designed that also use XBL^2 technology. These models feature dual ~6 inch magnets and 18+ mm of xmax, and are initially available in both 12 and 15 inch versions.

                                                                                  These particular drivers have an incredibly unique trick up their sleeve. I don't want to give EVERYTHING away at this moment, but here are a couple hints: They feature an adjustable Q that can be used to make them suitable for everything from small sealed to gigantic ported enclosures. For instance, the 12 inch version has a Qts selectable anywhere from .33 to .52 depending on your preferences. In this configuration, these subwoofer drivers are nominally 4 ohms.

                                                                                  However, you can actually run a PAIR of these drivers and STILL get an impedance of 4 ohms for IB and dipole setups and achieve a higher Qts. It also lets people use a pair of these drivers for IB setups and still use a single plate amplifier. In this setup, the pair of 12 inch subwoofers exhibit a Q that is selectable between just under .5 to over 1.0 again depending on your preferences. Both the 12 and 15 inch drivers will sell for well under $200.

                                                                                  Oh yeah, all of the drivers feature these basic characteristics:

                                                                                  12-spoke cast aluminum baskets
                                                                                  polished top and bottom plates on motor
                                                                                  paper-pulp cones
                                                                                  copper voice coils
                                                                                  custom-tooled inverted carbon fiber dust caps.

                                                                                  I am sorry if I am just scratching the surface on these subwoofers at the moment. All of the information on these new subwoofers will be available very shortly. As mentioned in the post above, the drivers are all being manufactured as we speak. There will be no long wait for things to be designed and built. The subwoofers should be ready around the beginning of November. They also feature some VERY low distortion figures too. I can't wait!!!


                                                                                  IB subwoofer FAQ page


                                                                                  "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                                                                                  • Hank
                                                                                    Super Senior Member
                                                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                                                    • 1345

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Lookee here - this is an excerpt from a post preceeding the one Thomas quoted:
                                                                                    I will probably also have my newly designed XBL^2 midrange drivers ready by then too.
                                                                                    Well, well, well, the plot thickens. 8O

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                                                                                    • goskers
                                                                                      Senior Member
                                                                                      • Jun 2004
                                                                                      • 106

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      There is the Adire Extremis 6 and the 4.5" full-ranger from Creative Sound Solutions that use the xbl motor. From what I have read there is very good potential with this motor but I am a little skeptical that no one has been able to develop a motor like this before now. I can't wait to see some real world testing. It would be fantastic if this motor is as good as it sounds.

                                                                                      The motor is high in doppler distortion which is similar to 2nd order distortion so our ears are supposed to be quite familiar with this. The other types of distortion are drastically reduced. The Fs plots that I have seen don't seem to be the best though. Time will tell I guess.

                                                                                      wasser

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                                                                                      • ThomasW
                                                                                        Moderator Emeritus
                                                                                        • Aug 2000
                                                                                        • 10934

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        If all goes well with the introduction of the 12", 15", 18" drivers, then the plan is to make smaller drivers........

                                                                                        IB subwoofer FAQ page


                                                                                        "Complicated equipment and light reflectors and various other items of hardware are enough, to my mind, to prevent the birdie from coming out." ...... Henri Cartier-Bresson

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                                                                                        • BrianJD
                                                                                          Junior Member
                                                                                          • Jun 2004
                                                                                          • 21

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Hank
                                                                                          Lookee here - this is an excerpt from a post preceeding the one Thomas quoted:
                                                                                          Well, well, well, the plot thickens. 8O
                                                                                          Yup.

                                                                                          I wonder if Chads mid has any improvements over the Extremis?

                                                                                          I'll wait till the end of the Adire pre order, hopefully there will be some new info.

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