HTGuide Forum - TTP IX

Bing Fung

03-18-2003, 01:43 AM

Well Buddy... I'll walk you through it if you want. It would be an awesome display in your case; however H2o cooling in a PC isn't something to be taken lightly. It needs to be carefully planned and integrated into the case to minimize troubles that can be associated with it. :spit:

While H20 historically was a quieter solution than a Heat sink fan cooler, these days the heat sinks are so good that the DIN is negligible depending on the fan coupled with the heat sink. H20 still requires a fan to cool off the radiator, there are still the power supply fans and then there is the added noise and vibration of the pump. In the end a well designed air cooled system can be almost, if not just as quiet as a H20 cooled system, in fact the loudest part of my current case is the Hard drives spinning at 7200 RPM.

Now where the H20 systems really come in is in cooling efficiency. Water has great heat transfer properties so if you’re planning on doing some insane overclocks, H20 is a good alternative. The question that needs to be raised is, for the price of this water cooling system, is it more cost effective to buy this system and a mid price CPU and hope to overclock the crap out of it? Or is it cheaper to just buy the Fastest CPU currently available and over clock that with standard air cooling and face less hassles of a water system? Hard to say for Overclocking is not a guaranteed science. However cost effectiveness has never been an issue for you so I would say why not. For me I struggle with this question other than I just want it because it's cool and extreme, however I want the top performance for my hard spent cash, so coolness aside, I would take the faster system be it air or water cooled.

General the H20 system works just like the cooling system in your car. Cool water from the radiator is pumped through the water block attached to the CPU, transferring the heat away from the block. This water is then passed to the Video card block (if also H20 cooled) and then to the radiator. Most of the heated water is stripped of its heat by making a few passes through the radiator and with help of the fan; it is brought back down to near ambient temperatures. The cooled water is then sent back to the pump in a continuous process, this is what is known as a Sealed System. They are generally low maintenance, but do require the bleeding of air from time to time. Filling can be a pain with this type of system as well. The radiator should be place near the back or top of the PC blowing air and heat away from the case.

Another type of system operates in the same manner except a reservoir is added so filling of the system is easily accomplished. This reservoir is generally added before the pump so any water collected there can be purged of bubbles in line. The reservoir inlet cascades the water down to the water line allowing air built up in the system to be removed, while the outlet is at the bottom of the reservoir feeding the pump. This is a very nice solution but you still have to be cautious with spills and for this to work properly the reservoir should be placed at the highest point of the system. Needless to say you should never tip you PC on the side with this type of system.

Another concern is you have to watch for is bio matter build up in a water system such as fungus, so a good water treatment is recommended. Mineral deposits are also a concern but minimized with distilled water. The system should be perodically flushed and fresh coolant added. Be prepared to accept that leaks are very possible, remembering that water and electronic components don't mix well. A relay should be wired in to start the pump automatically when ever you start the PC. Apperently some pumps such as magnetic drive pumps don't like to be shut down so this should factor into the design.

Now on the up side as I have already mentioned, it is a system that does continue to add value for you can keep overclocking the crap out of those mid priced CPU's and the difference in added cost is probably less than the top line CPU. Put another way, an Athlon 3000XP is currently $900 (for sake of argument). A 2500XP is $295; add the $420 H20 system and you’re at $715. It's still cheaper than the top line CPU and realistically, you could get the 2500XP to perform at the same level of the 3000XP with the water, however it's not guaranteed. And then in 5 months the 3000XP will be priced at $400, or some ridiculously lower price than what you paid or didn't pay depending on which way you went. If you went with water, you could then just get that NOW lower priced 3000XP CPU and overclock that for all it worth maybe matching the top line 3500XP CPU, so a H20 system could pay for itself but lessening the depreciation of buying a top line CPU. But If I had your cash I wouldn’t be overclocking the mid priced CPUs, I would be overclocking the top line CPUs, because that’s just the way I am.... I just don’t have your cash. You decide…

The Asus mobo has a thermal shut down so if you should experience a pump failure, the board will shut down the system before your CPU fries itself, so no worries there. Given the hassles of water cooling, I would still do it just because I think its uber cool and it more stuff to play with. Others couldn't be bothered and I can appreciate that.

There you have it, if you need a hand setting it up, I would be more than happy to help you, besides I owe you a few hours of tech support anyway ;)

Bing

Chris D

03-18-2003, 01:47 AM

Bing- Hold on... all that info? I thought you just used a garden hose to spray a constant stream of water on your motherboard! :D

No? Oh, okay...

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Bing Fung

03-18-2003, 01:53 AM

Haha, well there is that way as well Chris :LOL:

Bing

Mats

03-18-2003, 05:25 AM

Sing-along folks :)
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Pat

03-18-2003, 07:11 AM

Mats, thanks for setting me up for the flip :T

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Pat

03-18-2003, 07:12 AM

Running...

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Pat

03-18-2003, 07:14 AM

almost there....

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Pat

03-18-2003, 07:14 AM

Flipperooni!

A C17 for Chris :)
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Lex

03-18-2003, 08:24 AM

Pat's flipping while most are snoring. Something not just about that. :LOL:

Nice flip, big plane. That translates to "good commercial jet pilot" training, ey Chris? That is if we have any Airlines left soon. What with their financial situations.

What do you do with a plane like that, haul top brass's Porsches, BMWs, and such? :LOL:

Funny on the Mobo comment Chris. Yeah, for those situations where it's not running really hot, maybe a yard sprinkler could work.. :)

Welcome to Fatter Tuesday, the week after Fat Tuesday. Most of us are just a little bit heavier. lol.

Lex

Kevin P

03-18-2003, 08:42 AM

xx) xx) Morning folks! OSIT xx) xx)

I haven't had much time lately to actually READ people's posts and respond to them, so I'll attempt to do so now...

Sonnie: We haven't seen Sweet Home Alabama yet but Heather wants to so it'll probably be our next rental.

Chris: Hopefully this war will be brief and effective. Find Saddam and pals, and get them out. Other than that, I don't have much to say other than my prayers going out to the troops stationed over there. BTW, that C-17 is a cool looking plane. :T

As for the TV in the bathroom, the way I would do it is, mount it in a wall that is adjacent to another room, and have a plexiglass or similar "window" that keeps the moisture out. The TV "hole" would be open to the adjacent room so it wouldn't be affected by moisture.

Trevor has a new Bing-i-fied computer! :-y Maybe someday I'll build a box like that. Probably not for quite a while though, at least until my job/income situation stabilizes, and/or my Micron craps out. Oh yeah, congrats on 4000+ posts! And IMHO water cooling is cool but probably more trouble then it's worth. I always thought water cooling meant you seal off the openings in the PC case and fill it with water! :rofl:

Bing, you got a job! Temporary, but still a job nonetheless. Now it's MY TURN!!!!! Of course we've been saying that for over 2 years now. :roll: I need interviews, DESPERATELY! What do I have to do, bribe the HR departments? Include a certified check with my resume? Sheesh... maybe I should at least include a virus so they have a reason to contact me! :twisted:

Trev, sounds like someone used the "Forget your password?" link on Ebay with your username. It sends you that email as confirmation. If you don't respond, nothing will happen, though you may want to change your password to something more secure!

Lex, we have rules here!? 8O :LOL: Good work in keeping the riffraff in line. At least we have great sponsors here, not like some forums.

And as for me, time to pretend to work, so I'll be back later!

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Bing Fung

03-18-2003, 09:15 AM

Morning all! :later:

Mats, funny link... That was actually done well

Pat, nice flip, say is that Chris in there ;)

LEx, what is this fat Tuesday?

Kevin, thanks man work is work I guess... That virus thing may work, they would need you for the antidote. Maybe work on hacking their employee data base and just include your name as a home based consultant, that has immeaserable goals as well as direct deposit :)

Yep, seal off the PC case and filler up :rofl: This is what you would end up with

http://scasp.webnow.biz/upload/a0000010/en_US/prd_1107.jpg

I have a friend that fried their PC with water cooling. One of the hose barbs cracked and released water all over. Need less to say most of the main components where pooched.

Making up a list things I should clarify before my meeting.

Bing

Andrew Pratt

03-18-2003, 09:33 AM

Good luck with the meeting Bing...no matter what happens you're alright in my books ;)

doug I'm drafting an email reponse to your post in club rotel :?

Everyone else...g'day eh!

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Bing Fung

03-18-2003, 10:19 AM

Thanks Andrew! That means a lot to me :)

Bing

Kevin P

03-18-2003, 10:39 AM

Hey Lex, was it the "digital cables" thread in Club Rotel that prompted your post by any chance? I was just wondering, because the original poster did say "Any comments on the different cables in your systems please," which to me would open the discussion up to whatever cables people are using, not necessarily just Cats. It would be like posting a thread that reads something like:I'm looking for a digital coax cable. I've been looking at the Cat products but were wondering what else is out there so I can make an informed decision.I see nothing wrong in a case like that. Of course if someone posted a thread asking specifically about Cats and someone jumped in about Monster then I can see your point. :)

Just IMHO and curiosity, hopefully not killing the cat, or CAT :)

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Bing Fung

03-18-2003, 10:48 AM

OK, this has got to be the cutiest thing I have seen in a long while, and it is mine.

Tori made this coolest alligator for me and gave it to me on Sunday when I arrived at Trev's. The alligator is about 5&1/2 feet long and made up of about 10 segments of paper, it was bigger than Tori as she attempted to hold it up to show me. The amount of detail is amazing as the body isn't just taped together in a edge to edge fashion, she actually simulated how an alligators body is curved and went to great lengths to create that. As well note the detail of the birds on the alligators back, "These are to help keep the alligator clean" as I was told by Tori... I'm touched that this sweet little girl went to all that work just for me.... :cry:

Trev, you are one lucky dad and you should be very proud of Tori, I know I certainly am!

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Bing

Kevin P

03-18-2003, 10:57 AM

As well note the detail of the birds on the alligators back, "These are to help keep the alligator clean" as I was told by Tori...And the birds make a tasty snack for when alligator gets hungry :twisted:

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Jeff Kowerchuk

03-18-2003, 11:09 AM

I'm going to go out on a limb and comment on the advertising issue. Who knows, maybe this post will get deleted though I think that would be most unfortunate.

Lex, I understand your position. The site costs money and you cannot afford (nor be expected) to pay for rising costs due to increased membership. Logically, you either look to sponsors for support or initiate a subscription type service.

Unfortunately, I don't think the attitude you have adopted will help to bring new members in. When I visit a supposedly 'free chat' forum such as this (free chat, within the normal boundaries of the forum's rules) I do not expect to be silenced about speaking about a product competing against the sponsor's products. Any respectable sponsor should welcome competition, because presumably their product offers something others do not.

I do not mean when I say this that people can simply trash the sponsor's product just because they like another. What I am talking about is constructive conversation. If someone asks about 'Product A', I would expect to see many people offer their comments - and the reality is that some will be good, but there may be bad comments as well. This isn't to be taken personally. Not everybody will like every product. They have no vendetta against the product or the company, they simply do not choose it. Furthermore, I think it is reasonable to expect that competing products are mentioned. Once again, this does not slander the original product - it simply offers a contrast.

I'm sorry Lex, but if the sponsors products are not up to comparison and competition with others, well I don't think they are very respectable.

I don't expect this opinion to be very popular, but I am not one to simply go on with the popular vote. Neither do I expect my opinions to be silenced simply because you or others may disagree.

It is simply my opinion, but I do not think the stance you adopted will help to win HTGuide many friends.

Ciao guys!

/serious mode off...continue TTP fun now. :)

Bing Fung

03-18-2003, 11:23 AM

Very valid comments Jeff, and I have to agree in context.

The HTG should not be biased in opinon to a given product just because it's a sponsor. I see this on the PC hardware sites and it's sad because you know the truth is hidden in attempts to show the product in all positive manners. However I think Lex's comments came from a point that if a person was stating he was going out to buy a sponsors product because he thinks it will work for him, we maybe shouldn't say "I wouldn't do that... look at brand x instead..." Now if he was asking me particularly about one product versus another, well he will get my opinon of it with only my personnal biases applied. I think this is what you are refering to.

I 'm certainly up for lively disscussion of the pros and cons of one product versus another regardless if they are a sponsor or not, however it depends more on the tone of the question at hand and what is the ultimate objective of the disscussion.

Lex, I support and understand your efforts, however I also agree with Jeff that if the question is asked, then it fair game.

Bing

Andrew Pratt

03-18-2003, 11:25 AM

Hey guys I meant to post some pictures I took with the new camera but I forgot my card reader so they'll have to wait until tonight. I'm about a 1/3 the way though the owners manual at the moment...its amazing what this thing can do...the manual is a very thick book 8O

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George Bellefontaine

03-18-2003, 11:28 AM

Well it's a lot hotter on the warfront than it is here in the Great Northeast.

Chris, Kevin's idea reminded me of an article I read in one of the HT mags several years ago about installing a tv in the bathroom. It's probably workable, but is it really worth the cost ? As to recent world events and your possible participation, please take care.

To everyone else, have a good Tuesday.

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Sonnie Parker

03-18-2003, 11:46 AM

Hey guys! Good morning!

It's on the warm side here too George..... not to rub it in or anything! :D

Trev, I like that new case you got.... very cool!

Kevin, when you guys watch SHA you will get a somewhat of a feel for how our countryside looks. Just don't pay any attention to when they start talking about rednecks. lol

Bing, now that would be a cool fish tank of a computer!

Did I miss the posting war? I suppose those threads are deleted now huh?

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efarstad

03-18-2003, 11:59 AM

:sn :sn :sn Good Morning! :sn :sn :sn

I'm even wearing my yellow Mr. Rogers sweater today..as someone so lovingly pointed out this morning! :D But it was a wonderful birthday present and Mr. Rogers is my hero so I don't care! 8)

Nice flip Pat!

Bing: Congrats on the job..and as Trev said...I'd take it and with your professionalism and work effort I'd bet it will go full time and you'll get the pay you deserve and desire! Go get um!!! And Bing, that's treasured gift from Tori...and yes, Children are God's treasured gifts indeed!

Andrew: Can't wait to see some pics!!!

Kev: Now it's your turn buddy...go get um too! ;)

Sonnie, Lex, Jeff, everyone....have a great one too!

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Andrew Pratt

03-18-2003, 12:04 PM

Anyone want to make their Microsoft Windows look more like OSX? Give this a try

http://www.mobydock.tk/

I plan on trying it tonight to see how it looks.

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Sonnie Parker

03-18-2003, 12:24 PM

Deleted previous content.....

My 2 cents is not worth 2 cents..... :?

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Lex

03-18-2003, 12:40 PM

Guys, I'm not going on the defensive here. If you don't like my comments, nough said-

I won't always make the right decisions, but in the end, they are my decisions to make, right or wrong. I'm not trying to win any popularity contests as a person here. I'm trying to run a business-

Lex

Mats

03-18-2003, 12:42 PM

Don't forgett to look to the right if you're downunder or in UK for example... OUCH!!!!!
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Trevor Schell

03-18-2003, 01:06 PM

Good Morning Gentlemen!..

I am at home today..Feeling a little under the weather..
A day of rest and sleep should help me get back onto my feet.

Bing,,That water cooling is downright scary..Very cool ,but scary.
I think I am just going to stay away from it. I am definately not qualified to set this up.
I am best to get my fishtank set instead.

Great picture of the Alligator.:T
She will love seeing that on the screen.
You said it!, I am definately proud of Tori and Taylor too!
Being greeted by them when I get home from work just makes my day!!They are very precious to me.
They both have really taken a liking to Bing. That's because Bing is such a cool person with a great personality and awesome around the kids.. :yesnod:

Kevin,,I checked my E-bay account and everything was Ok..
I also tried to change my User ID , but the one I wanted was already taken. So I left it as is.
I will keep checking it though ,,to make sure it is OK.

Lex,, However I think Lex's comments came from a point that if a person was stating he was going out to buy a sponsors product because he thinks it will work for him, we maybe shouldn't say "I wouldn't do that... look at brand x instead..." Now if he was asking me particularly about one product versus another, well he will get my opinon of it with only my personnal biases applied.
I agree with Bing.
The thread that this occured, the creator did not ask a question on what cables to be recommended or compared , but instead asked specifically about Catcables.
Those guys that jump in and recommend other items were definately in the wrong.
I am glad Lex put his foot down. If he didn't put his foot down , then the giude would end up like some other forum that I no longer visit because it is saturated with idiots and unprofessional responses from a lot of it's members.
Keep the Guide clean Lex..If memebrs don't like the direction given and don't want to visit , that 's their choice. It will assist in keeping the Forum a better place for those who want to stay.
LEX>> ;x( Your the man!!

George,,sorry I didn't post a hot pic for you. I will try to get something though.

E!,,I agree..Children are Gods treasured Gifts. :sn
Lucky for me!,,I get to entertain and teach an entire grade 7 class about Wally World and our culture. Something I had set up with our Adopt a School. We will have atour of the backrooms, a breakfast and chat. Then they students will job shadow our dept managers for a couple of hours.
Looking forward to it.

Andrew Dude!!Your family is about to have a baby!! EXCITING!!:-y

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efarstad

03-18-2003, 01:08 PM

Mats: 8O Ouch!!!

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Trevor Schell

03-18-2003, 01:15 PM

Andrew!!,,Looking forward to seeing your pictures with the new camera.

Also,,Did your Laptop arrive yet!??

Last thing!,,
The TTP map needs updating..
Mark should be taken off and Chris needs to be added.

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Chris D

03-18-2003, 01:17 PM

Funny video with Bush and Blair.

Doug, you're right--there's a lot of flying lessons learned by flying the big heavy cargo aircraft that can carry over to the airliners.

Pat: Nice flip! Thanks! :yesnod:

I put in my $.02 already on the posting issue, and will stay out of the rest of it as just another member. I will say, though, that I don't envy the position of the owners/moderators when it comes to stuff like this. Very tough to maintain a professional forum that remains classy and supported, but is still open for everyone to express their opinions freely and openly. A constant going back and forth on how much control to exercise.

CHRIS
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Chris D

03-18-2003, 01:33 PM

(oh, and that picture is probably of us doing a low level flight--300 feet above the ground, and usually 310 knots, or about 315 mph or so. I get to do that tomorrow!)

CHRIS
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Kevin P

03-18-2003, 01:34 PM

Anyone want to make their Microsoft Windows look more like OSX?Now why would I want my PC to look like a Mac? :throwup: ;)

Get some rest Trevor... or is it more like "I want to play with my new PC so I called in sick!?" :crazy:

So am I still allowed to gripe about my job? It doesn't make our sponsors look bad, I don't think... well I suppose it would if I worked for one of our sponsors, but I don't... so here goes. I get this email from the PHB that states:Effective immediately, all development groups within (company name) are being assigned the responsibility of providing test case scenarios to the QA group in (remote location) for every release of every product. The test case scenarios will need to be provided with the release notes (attached to the change ticket) when a build is implemented in the QA environment.So now I have to do QA's job as well as project management (also not part of my job description, only because our project managers are ID-10Ts). Of course they laid off most of the QA department, so if we have to do their work we should get paid extra. I'm sick of this more for less crap.

Not only that, but this wasn't communicated to me until today. Once again a failure of project management. I'm at a point where I'm doing the bare minimum required to keep my job, since that's what everyone else is doing.Kev: Now it's your turn buddy...go get um too! ;) How many times has it been my turn in the past 2 years now? :roll: What's it take to get interviews? Maybe I should go on a :a>'> spree and enjoy the resulting free room and board... question is, can I access TTP from Federal Pound-Me-In-The-A$$ prison!? 8O

I picked up a copy of "The Police: Every Breath You Take", remastered hybrid SACD during lunch. Listening to it, it sounds fantastic! Definitely one of the better-sounding discs I've spun in the tubicle system. I can imagine what the SACD layer sounds like, but that'll have to wait until I get home.

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Gordon Moore

03-18-2003, 01:52 PM

Uh-oh Trev...you haven't been on a plane from Toronto, Edmonton, or BC lately have you? Maybe Asia....?

Just kiddin' :D ... that SARS thing is kinda spooky stuff though.

My kids just went through a NASTY stomach flu...the "eat something, throw it back up immediately" kind. Poor little guys, the oldest threw up like 7 times 2 nights ago. Since it seems to play out in three days he should be going full steam tomorrow...even today, he's up and playing...just not eating. I don't blame him.

I'm sitting back and waiting to get it myself...I could use 3 days off. ;)

You know flus would be okey dokey if we could eliminate the puking part. I'll take fever over puking any day...but that's just me.

Gordon Moore

03-18-2003, 02:00 PM

And Kevin, your story isn't very different from most people I know in the industry.

I'm living it too. Since they let half the company go, the few that are left are doing the job of 2 or 3 people....with no extra compensation dammit! :x

Andrew Pratt

03-18-2003, 02:03 PM

Did your Laptop arrive yet!??

nope it won't be here until the end of the month :cry:

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Bing Fung

03-18-2003, 02:14 PM

Thanks E for all your kind comments!

Well I accepted the position and will start Monday, I was actually able to nogotiate more money out of them, closer to what I had asked for to start. Thanks for everyone's encouragement and positive thoughts. :^x

Lex, you don't have to defend yourself at all, it's your forum, your rules... and I'm done with that.

Trev, water can be scary, and now that I know your stance on that, I wouldn't recommend for you, however if you did want to pursue it, I would be more than happy to help you get set up :)

Now down to the ugly stuff....

I know you guys just didn't ignore my pictures of my Alligator :wtf:

Com'mon guys, put a bit of effort in your posts to aknowledge some hard work from a little girl.... Sheesh! :nono: :bash: :g>'>

Bastards all of you :g>'> cept E and Trev.. and Kevin, cause he has stealth browser enabled..

The rest of you sorry asses have no excuse. And if I see a run for the flip with out one single comment about my alligator, I'm going to see to it personally that I lay the hurts to all of you (could be the other way around too, but no matter) if and when I get the chance to meet you in person. Then we'll carry on with business.

Thanks Kevin for the comment below....

Bing

Kevin P

03-18-2003, 02:24 PM

Well I accepted the position and will start Monday, I was actually able to nogotiate more money out of them, closer to what I had asked for to start. Thanks for everyone's encouragement and positive thoughts. :^x Congratulations. Now when is it my turn!? :PI know you guys just didn't ignore my pictures of my Alligator :wtf: I didn't ignore them, I just can't see them from work. :evil: I'm sure they're very nice.

Speaking of work (yes, it's one of THOSE days), I get a meeting invitation with the following description: "Review the (blah blah) changes that went to QA. Need detail on how the process works." :banghead: B-b-b-but, we went over the process BEFORE we started coding! And this invitation came from the one who did most of the work in coming up with the process!!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: Not only that, the meeting is in less than an hour. Not exactly much time to prepare, especially since I have to create this freakin' TEST PLAN...

Actually, I came up with a version of the test plan that should work for all our projects. It goes like this:

Test Number: 1. Sanity check
Step Number: 1
Description/Step: Read the functional specs, and see what changes were made in this release. Test the changes.
Expected Results: The changes should work.
Pass/Fail/Block: Fail. No functional specs exist.
Comments/Defect #: Defect # 1D-10T. Faulty management.

I'd almost rather be unemployed than dealing with this kind of :urinal: :roll: (we need a makin' poopy smiley for this sort of thing)

And get this (I heard this from my co-worker): the PHBs had a talk with one of the programmers (a Chinese guy) because his code isn't "object oriented" enough, and they can't understand him because of his accent. Ok, these doofuses wouldn't know object-oriented code if it hit them over the head, and come on, he's from another country, it's not like he grew up speaking English and can lose the accent overnight! :banghead:

This place is set to implode. It's getting to the point where if I don't get laid off this summer, I'm quitting! :bash: :bash: :banghead: :banghead:

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Mats

03-18-2003, 02:46 PM

I'm sooooooooo sorry Bing... was too concentrated on the last picture trying to figure out what the heck of an animal that was so I forgott the alligator :)

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Mats

03-18-2003, 02:54 PM

On the ModyDock Object Desktop issue... I've been trying out MobyDock but I only found it to be so so... some icons one could use but...
Object Desktop though is actually pretty nice even if it cost almost 50 bucks I went on and bought a copy last night. Now I can get my Windows 2000 to look like an XP without having to install that rubbish ;)

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Burke Strickland

03-18-2003, 03:02 PM

Odd thing about that cartoon I tried to post on the previous page --without changing the URL, about half the time it comes up OK and the other times, it gives a message that the image is unavailable, try again later.

Burke

Burke Strickland

03-18-2003, 03:02 PM

Uh oh, time for a "you know what", but since it seems I have to type in my user ID and password every flippin' time :>) (cookies don't seem to be working right now for HT Guide, anyway) I'm not sure I'll be able to pull this off...

Burke Strickland

03-18-2003, 03:02 PM

Anyone gonna take this one? Look at them "snappers".

PS -- That's a reference to "Romancing The Stone" when the bad guy keeps throwing meat scraps to the alligators/ crocodiles.

Burke Strickland

03-18-2003, 03:02 PM

http://ccc.atmos.colostate.edu/~hail/cool/clouds/images/stormclouds08-27-02.jpg

Storm clouds... let's hope we can still see a ray of sunshine in a bleak economc and international picture...

Burke Strickland

03-18-2003, 03:02 PM

BTW -- seems that a BUNCH of threads disappeared all over the place... almost as fast as they sprung up... I must have been dreaming or punchy from staying up too late or something. :>)

Burke

Mats

03-18-2003, 03:08 PM

Nice Flip pic Burke...
Can't beleave I've gave away another flip that easy :)

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Sonnie Parker

03-18-2003, 03:08 PM

Wicked flip pic Burke.... is that what you are about to get or just got?

Oh Bing, did I mention that I thought it was sweet of Tori to make that alligator for you. You are obviously a special person to her.

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Bing Fung

03-18-2003, 03:08 PM

Thanks Mats, your off the hook, but Burke that's just unforgivable...

Another chance at redemtion.

I know you guys just didn't ignore my pictures of my Alligator :wtf:

Com'mon guys, put a bit of effort in your posts to aknowledge some hard work from a little girl.... Sheesh! :nono: :bash: :g>'>

Bastards all of you :g>'> cept E and Trev.. and Kevin, cause he has stealth browser enabled..

The rest of you sorry asses have no excuse. And if I see a run for the flip with out one single comment about my alligator, I'm going to see to it personally that I lay the hurts to all of you (could be the other way around too, but no matter) if and when I get the chance to meet you in person. Then we'll carry on with business.

OK, this has got to be the cutiest thing I have seen in a long while, and it is mine.

Tori made this coolest alligator for me and gave it to me on Sunday when I arrived at Trev's. The alligator is about 5&1/2 feet long and made up of about 10 segments of paper, it was bigger than Tori as she attempted to hold it up to show me. The amount of detail is amazing as the body isn't just taped together in a edge to edge fashion, she actually simulated how an alligators body is curved and went to great lengths to create that. As well note the detail of the birds on the alligators back, "These are to help keep the alligator clean" as I was told by Tori... I'm touched that this sweet little girl went to all that work just for me.... :cry:

Trev, you are one lucky dad and you should be very proud of Tori, I know I certainly am!

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Bing Fung

03-18-2003, 03:12 PM

Oh Bing, did I mention that I thought it was sweet of Tori to make that alligator for you. You are obviously a special person to her.

Thanks Sonnie, that's more like it :LOL:

Bing

Burke Strickland

03-18-2003, 03:34 PM

Bing - what's "unforgivable"? The slow server response that made getting a flip "iffy"? The storm cloud picture? The latest Batman movie? :>)

I can see from your photos that Tori is quite the gifted little artist... you're lucky to be the recipient of so many special works and she is fortunate that you appreciate them... I've seen too many adults quickly dismiss or discard the handmade gifts of children... nice touch having the "To/From" inside the 'gator's mouth (the birds won't go in there and mess it up). :>)

BTW, I just recently read an article suggesting that alligators may really be birds! (Shades of Jurassic Park and Dr. Grant's theory of dinosaurs being related to birds.)

Burke

PS -- what's the CD?

Bing Fung

03-18-2003, 03:40 PM

Alright then, Thanks Burke :LOL: She is certainly talented judging from my alligator. The CD is just there for perspective. :)

I'm just feeling a bit cocky...everyone is off the hook :)

Yah know there could be a bit of truth to the alligator bird thing.. they lay eggs..

Andrew's the biologist, he may have a comment of two on that.

Burke, nice flip graphic BTW, did you take that?

Bing

Burke Strickland

03-18-2003, 03:48 PM

Wicked flip pic Burke.... is that what you are about to get or just got?
If you mean local weather like that, it's pretty close to the way things look outside right now . If you mean the real estate, 'fraid not. :>)

Burke, nice flip graphic BTW, did you take that?
Nope. I wish I had, but it is just a shot I saw on the 'net that reminds me of the grey skies and cold (59 F/ 15 C) rainy day we are having in Houston right now.

Burke

Andrew Pratt

03-18-2003, 03:49 PM

Sorry Bing/Trevor tori's picture really is sweet.

Regarding the birds and aligators there's a few theory's about what came from where but there are very likely some interesting common links between them. There's an interesting artical in the latest Scientific America magazine about birds, dinosaurs and the origin of feathers. BTW Grants theory on JP was that birds evolved from dinosaurs which this artical seems to support.

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03-18-2003, 03:54 PM

Bing got a job
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Lex

03-18-2003, 04:16 PM

Congrats Bing, you da man! :-y Nice alligator too!

l8er,
Lex

Bing Fung

03-18-2003, 04:28 PM

Thanks Andrew, Lex... well it is just a term job, but hey, it's a pay cheque and it's something i like to do. Can't ask for much more, cept mo' money!

Heheh, nothing like laying the SMACK Down around here.. Now I know what it feels like to be Lex :hump:

It's a nice picture regardless Burke :T

Say, where is the Greg Stone character and my Bro Paulywog?

Bing

Chris D

03-18-2003, 04:32 PM

Ba-Da- Bing wrote:

Com'mon guys, put a bit of effort in your posts to aknowledge some hard work from a little girl.... Sheesh!

(sniff) I guess we're only common guys to you now.

We're not special.

We're not worthy.

I don't know about you calling yourself a little girl, but yeah, that was some hard work for you to post.

:yeah: Just joshin' ya. Yeah, the alligators were very cute. Kids are cool!

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Trevor Schell

03-18-2003, 05:15 PM

Way to lay it down Bing!! ;)
Tori only makes pictures for those she cares about.
Her parents,grandparents,teacher,bus driver and BING!
We have a binder and drawer full of her art which we plan to keep for her. She will be thrilled to pull these things out when she's older to look at. I wish I had stuff like that.

Thanks for all the nice comments on her pictures. I will let her read them. Plus, she will be thrilled to see her alligator on the computer screen.

Congrats on the Job Bing..Now everything is finalized for you , plus you got even more money ..Cool!!
I told you good things would come your way! :yesnod:

Now we just have to get Kevin set up in the drivers seat! :driving:

Well,,just got up from a nap.
Feeling somewhat better now!

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03-18-2003, 05:23 PM

I hear you Gordon!,,
The puking part is the worst,,thankfully I haven't puked yet.. :puker:

Say, where is the Greg Stone character and my Bro Paulywog?

Yah! Where are they? Plus Rick hasn't been around for ages..
Seems kind of strange.

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Sonnie Parker

03-18-2003, 05:25 PM

No Burke, wasn't thinking real estate..... was thinkin' that you had taken this pic yourself and showing us what bad weather you were getting or about to get.

Of course, that doesn't look like no shabby pad there either.... looks like a nice estate.

Bing, I was wondering about the CD lying next to the gator.... that is a pretty big gator you know. I agree, Tori had to take some time to build it for you.

Now tell us the truth, does Tori get this sweetness from Trevor? You can plead the 5th if you like..... lol

Oh and congrats on the job Bing.........no thrashes please! hee hee

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Burke Strickland

03-18-2003, 05:32 PM

We have a binder and drawer full of her art which we plan to keep for her. She will be thrilled to pull these things out when she's older to look at. I wish I had stuff like that
Saving these early works is a great idea. It is a shame more parents and other recipients of a child's artwork don't do that. Just be careful not to bring it back out too early (might have to wait for her to be an adult -- teens can dismiss stuff like that or even throw it away, only to be sorry later), or in circumstances that might embarrass her, like in front of her friends or YOUR friends when she is a teen. Maybe she won't have a problem with it but a lot of teens don't like to be reminded they were "cute little kids".

Meanwhile, continue to encourage her creativity and enjoy!

Burke

Gordon Moore

03-18-2003, 05:42 PM

8O This is only going to have meaning to Winnipeggers...But apparently Nick Hill of Kernhill furniture passed away. He's a local icon in this town. He had pretty annoying commercials but in a lovable way. He was a big supporter of Winnipeg especially never giving up on Winnipeg's "North End". He never moved his store out of the North End when it would have made sense to do so and yet still remained profitable.

I'm sooo bummed...I didn't know the guy or anything but like I said, locally, this guy was an institution. He will missed.

I'm not looking for condolences. I'm just passing the info on to the locals of this guide.

Pat

03-18-2003, 05:53 PM

Bing, Congrats on the new job...like you said temp or not, it is income :T
You must have made quite an impression on Tori...she is sweet on you 8)
I figured the cd was there for scale, she put a lot of effort into that project for you...I can see why you are proud.

Burke, nice flip.

Andrew, waiting for some of your photography skills to show up in the Photography area ;)
Or any of you other shutterbugs out there!

Trev/Gordon...hope you feel better soon

Lex, get you 'puter fixed yet?

E, LOL on the Mr Rogers sweater.

Mats, I always look both ways ;)

Howdy to anyone I missed :later:

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Trevor Schell

03-18-2003, 06:14 PM

Thanks Burke!
Yes,,We will hold onto it for a while before we give it to her, however it is avaialble to see now. I nfact a couple weeks ago she was going through her Kindergartain stuff which is also in a binder.
She will be an artist down the road..She just can stop drawing.

Thanks PAt!,..

Gordon,,That's tough to hear about a community minded person passing away. I am sure many folk in the city will be remembering him.

Sonnie,,She probably gets it from her mom..The sweetness thing.
Im not sweet. Except when I'm drinking Pepsi. ;)

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03-18-2003, 06:19 PM

Mat's, Moby Dock ya say ? More importantly Can Trev change his color of the start button from green? :rofl: I told him that if he used a resolution higher than 1024x768 it wouldn't looks so big on his 21" monitor, thus it wouldn't bugg him as much.. He wasn't impressed :rofl:

Chris, you have to be one hell'va funny guy in person, you just come up with the most common stuff that has me rolling. :rofl: Yeah, you guys are just Com'mon guys to me now! Ask Chris in flying what he would consider a good landing, Chris would respond "any landing you walk away from is a good landing regardless if the plane is upside down.." heheh

Trev, good to hear your feeling better...

Sonnie, Tori does get her kindness from Trev, the sweetness part, well I have seen a twinkle in Trev's eye from time to time :rofl:

Burke, My wife Christine still has her kindergarten drawings 8O

Everyone, Thanks on the Congrats of the new job. I hope it is fun while it lasts and that I can learn some new tricks. I have to say I was a bit down in the mouth that eveing after the interview. I went to Trev's and he picked me up, dusted me off and gave me the Stuart Smally affirmations that made me feel better, and gosh darn-it... He was right ;)

Thanks as well for the comments on my alligator, it's very special to me and I feel so honored to be adored by Trev's kids.

Pat, Photogs seem to think alike don't they ;)

So now that I have time to relax, I decided to have a look at my new toy....

http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/fung1/a7n8x.jpg

Ohhh.... ahhhhh!

Did i mention this is my new favorite emoticon? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Bing

Andrew Pratt

03-18-2003, 06:53 PM

alright by popular demand here's a few pictures I snapped tonight with my new Canon A60 2MP digital camera. This little guy has more options then I will ever likely know how to use...it comes with a manual that's about the size of 3 CD's stacked on top of each other 8O I got though most of it but all these were shot in its auto mode..I'll play with some of the manual settings as I get more comfortable with it.

Our Livingroom

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The nursery

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Glenda & our Dog Jody

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Trevor Schell

03-18-2003, 06:54 PM

Hey Bing!!
It's all you!! It's who you are.
You do it all yourself! Just wish the other guys on TTP could get the chance to meet you!!
Your the Best!!:T

Did I mention that my favorite smiley is this.

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Bing Fung

03-18-2003, 06:56 PM

Nice pictures Andrew!

Glenda looks very well, seeing her makes me so happy for you guys. Nice room you have going there.

Thanks Trev, same goes for you. The TTP gang should meet the person that started it all! I guess I'm doubly lucky.

I like the emoticon as well and I'm a Coca-Cola fan.

Bing

Trevor Schell

03-18-2003, 06:58 PM

Andrew ,,Nice pics!
The house looks great ..I love the hardwood floors!:T

We do have some magor widescreen going on here and I am runnig at 1280x960 which is a the highest true 4:3 resolution you can go unless you hit 1600x1200. :P

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03-18-2003, 07:05 PM

sorry I had to resize an image:)

Thank on the compliments...we're very proud of our house...its not very large but its home to us.

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Bing Fung

03-18-2003, 07:08 PM

Atta boy on the higher resolutions Trev. Did the "clear type fonts" setting help at all?

Agreed Andrew, the house looks great as does your family. Does Jody have a stuffed animal toy? I seen the coolest and cutest thing this winter. There was a German Shephard dog laying on the side walk and inbetween it's paws was it play toy, a Teddy bear. :LOL: It was one of those times when I wished I had my camera.

Bing

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03-18-2003, 07:43 PM

Bing- Thanks, man. Actually, many people don't find me funny at all. To be honest, I'm somewhat of a loner, just hanging out around my house, watching movies and having fun at home.

Pr@: Nice pics! You and Glenda must be so excited. ;h

I think my favorite emoticon will always be the :banana:

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03-18-2003, 07:50 PM

Nice pics Andrew and Glenda looks great! You're going to love being a daddy!!!

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03-18-2003, 07:52 PM

Atta boy on the higher resolutions Trev. Did the "clear type fonts" setting help at all?
Bing,,I already had them on clear when I checked.
I changed the FONT DPI but didn't like it, so I changed it back to 120DPI from 150 DPI

There is a rattle coming from the fan on my power supply.
Likely because the screen is gone. I am going to order one tonight.

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Bing Fung

03-18-2003, 08:06 PM

NP Chris... :banana: is a gooder. We have great emos here on HTG.

Trev, unless your ordering more stuff the shipping may be more than the screens. Have you seen a fan around town or a heatsink you may upgrade to? I ask because once you have that sorted out the fan screen can go back on the power supply. What ever Heatsink combo you go with make sure it takes 80mm fans. That Thermal Right SLK800 is a killer HS I tell ya. Bolt another Antec blue fan on that and you will be cooler in CPU temps and looks. Only thing is the Antec won't be able to take advantage of the the Asus's Q-fan technology.

Bing

Trevor Schell

03-18-2003, 08:15 PM

Going for the flip!!

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Trevor Schell

03-18-2003, 08:15 PM

FLIP!!

KISS MY ......

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03-18-2003, 08:16 PM

:crazy:

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Bing Fung

03-18-2003, 08:32 PM

Good Flip, Nice shot of a hot ass :rofl:

The emblem plate on the exhaust looks great Trev. Man that is one beautiful machine :cry:

Howa bout this one Trev? :B

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Apperently it changes color with hard drive use :LOL:

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Thermal Take Smart Fan (http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=Bigfoot&Product_Code=1447HSTT&Category_Code=0005.50)

Bing

Andrew Pratt

03-18-2003, 08:39 PM

Oh I like it Bing!

Playing with the macro modes

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Trevor Schell

03-18-2003, 08:46 PM

Bing,, That's the one I have picked out!.

It's called the A1455 Volcano 9
You recommend it!

NCIX has it for $42 and Bigffot for $40

I'll order it tonight or would you recommend the 800 Heatsink with a blue antec fan.

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Lex

03-18-2003, 08:50 PM

In case nobody knew, it was me responsible for the powered by Pinto Beans. :LOL:

Good flipola!

Cool fan!

Need an order!

LOL

Lex

Bing Fung

03-18-2003, 08:51 PM

Too funny Trev :)

Good job Andrew, get honed up on the camer for baby pictures :)

Man I love seeing and attaching graphics here on HTG/TTP, it makes posting so much fun.

What was the signficance of Pinto Beans Lex?

Bing

Bing Fung

03-18-2003, 08:57 PM

Well, I tend to like the 800 and a blue Antec just cause it more hard core... It's also twice the price.

However the Thermal take is kinda flashy, and it does come loaded with great features like the Smart temperture throttling, you don't get that with the Antec because it doesn't plug into Asus Q-fan header.

The TT would be quieter, plus it would just look too killer in that pimped out rig or yours. I have not read a review on it yet, but I may just to find out.

Bing

Chris D

03-18-2003, 08:58 PM

Trev- BWAAHAHAHAHAHAA!! Good stuff. Now... that isn't real, right?

8O

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Lex

03-18-2003, 08:59 PM

Yes Pat, my computer is up and running. I still haven't addressed data recovery, but I'm back, and more importantly, I'm BACKED UP!

I'm running Ghost software to my second hard drive every time I make major changes. Usually just start it before I log off weekly at a minimum.

Chris, that's very real. :LOL:

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03-18-2003, 09:03 PM

Bing I should post a picture of the manual to this beast! Its fun to play with it though. Higher resolution would have been nice but I think this will do nicely for what I need.

PS just checked my my laptop is on route from Dell :T

Trevor nice license plate!

Gordon its sad to hear about good ol' kern hill..I won't miss their ads though ;)

Trevor are you ordering a laptop? if so which one? That new widescreen model looks sweet!

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Trevor Schell

03-18-2003, 09:09 PM

Bing,,I am goin to order the Thermal take cooloer.
Just because it's going to be quieter is all I needed to know.

Chris that Plate is real!!
That's my TAg for just about everything!! :yesnod:

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Bing Fung

03-18-2003, 09:14 PM

Cool beans Trev!

Here is a good review on the Volcano 9 and Cool Mod fan (http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/v9coolmod/index.htmll)

Exxxcellent Andrew.

Good to hear you are back Lex

Bing

Trevor Schell

03-18-2003, 09:27 PM

Here's what I ordered!

*4000BUBB 6" BLUE DUAL Stick BUBBLE Light Kit
*1447HSTT SALE! A1455 Volcano 9 *COOLMOD* Heatsink with LEDs
*1950CMLA BLUE 4 CLUSTER (BLACK Case) Lazer LED
*2126CGAF Antec TRILIGHT LED 80mm Case Fan (Special Offer)
Plus I picked up another Blue Antec fan.
I requested the Antec Trilite to be changed to Blue as it popped up whwn I finalized my order as a special offer., otherwise I could not find any Antec product on the bigfoot webpage.

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Trevor Schell

03-18-2003, 09:32 PM

In case nobody knew, it was me responsible for the powered by Pinto Beans.

Lex,,I responded to that!..on the last page!

http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/images/newstemp/monkeyburn.jpg

Who's selling PINTO BEANS??
I need some,Can't you see!

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Trevor Schell

03-18-2003, 09:35 PM

Trevor are you ordering a laptop? if so which one? That new widescreen model looks sweet!

Andrew,,I had one picked out ,,the Inspiron 8200 Notebook with the 400:1 contrast ratio screen.
However I am just waiting on it for a bit.

What Widescreen model are you talking about?
Is it a dEll?

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Trevor Schell

03-18-2003, 09:37 PM

Yes Pat, my computer is up and running. I still haven't addressed data recovery, but I'm back, and more importantly, I'm BACKED UP!

Way to go Lex,,Backing up ia a good idea.
I am now backed up too! Right Bing?:E

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03-18-2003, 09:42 PM

Real men don't do backup... they re-do :rofl:

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Bing Fung

03-18-2003, 09:43 PM

Here's what I ordered!

I love that statement.. If a person was to look in the dictionary for the word ordered... This is what you would see

http://www.mts.net/~glendap/ttp/TTP%20Photo%20Gallery_files/trev.jpg :rofl:

Nice stuff Trev.

W-I-D-E-S-C-R-E-E-N lap top Trev

Andrew, it's funny how we help Trev spend his money, but he does a damn fine job of it his-self :)

Great picture of the monkey, but what is the significance of Pinto beans, I still don't get it? :huh:

Trev, you are backed up in that you pictures are copied onto the other drive, however you should still physically back them up by burning them to CD. Remember how I showed you with Nero?

Bing

Trevor Schell

03-18-2003, 10:21 PM

Bing,,Yup!,,I remember how to do that.
I have to do some rebuilding of the Thumbnails first ,,then to CD they go!!:T

Man I love my new Computer..Everything seems to work better than before.
My K-80 fax is now recognized and I couldn't get that thing going before.

Yes Bing!!,,You are a bad influence on me!,,But I love it..

Dell makes Widescreen..I'm there!!!!! :banana:

Bing,,I don't know what Pinto means are either,,But that monkey just seemed to fit..I could be wrong though. :huh:

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03-18-2003, 10:32 PM

Haha Trevor, yeah, I saw that pic.

Bing, no it's good your back bud. :) Computers, I got lots of those. lol. Although one is still down for the count with my 2nd hd in a 2 week period to go bad. That one went HARD bad, WHIRRR.

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Trevor Schell

03-18-2003, 10:37 PM

WOW!!..This has TREVOR written all over it!!

INSPIRON 8500
Mobile Multimedia: Powerhouse

The new fleet-footed InspironTM 8500 takes notebook speed and performance to uncharted territory. Dual-band integrated wireless antennas and leading-edge graphics with wide-aspect LCD displays spell maximum performance for the uncompromising user. You can even personalize your 8500¹s good looks with QuickSnap Color Kits for the ultimate in customization.

Optional QuickSnap Color Kits!

KEY FEATURES:
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Processor: Mobile Intel® Pentium® 4 up to 2.40 GHZ. The Intel 845MP chipset is optimized for use with the Mobile Pentium 4 processors and ratchets the Processor Support Bus (PSB) to 400MHz.
Display: Stunning viewing area with the new 15.4" Wide Aspect, UltraSharpTM displays at WSXGA+ and WUXGA. Wide Aspect displays deliver impressive DVD viewing and additional screen area for increased productivity.
Video Graphics: Leading edge video graphics featured in the 32MB ATI MOBILITYTM RADEONTM 9000, and NVIDIA® GeForce4TM 4200 Go for crisp imaging and improved streaming video.
Media Bay Options: Dual-purpose CDRW + DVD Combo Drive comes standard with the Inspiron 8500. Eliminate the need for multiple bays, watch DVD movies and burn music in one simple bay. Or, add a 2nd Battery and stay at work or play longer.
Storage: Hard drives up to 60GB to meet your storage requirements.
Memory: Up to 2GB of memory give you excellent overall performance.
Modem & LAN Connected Solutions: Integrated 56K3 v.92 modem for easy dial-up Internet connections and integrated 10/100 Ethernet NIC for convenient broadband and network connections for advanced internet access.
Wireless Connectivity Solutions: Integrated Dual-Band (802.11 a/b) antenna that supports wireless connections to both 802.b (11Mbps) and 802.11 a (54 Mbps) Wi-Fi networks when combined with wireless card. Optional Internal Dell TrueMobileTM 1300 802.11b/g (54Mbps)and optional Dell TrueMobile 1184 Wireless Broadband Router allow for internet connectivity anywhere in your home.
Height and Weight: As light as 6.9 lbs4 with travel airbay module and 72-WHr battery.
QuickSnap Color Display(LCD) Back8)hoose from 5 different stylish colors to personalize your notebook.

The Inspiron 8500 notebook comes pre-loaded with Microsoft® Windows® XP, click here to learn more. Plus you can choose your productivity software - WordPerfect® Productivity Pack with Quicken New User Edition Works Suite 2003, or upgrade to Microsoft Office® XP Professional or Small Business edition, click here to learn more.

Enhance your Microsoft XP Home Edition or XP Professional operating experience with the New Microsoft® Plus! Microsoft Plus! offers great features like personalized images & cursors, voice activated commands AND rich entertainment features with Windows MediaTM Player and cool 3-D action packed games!

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03-18-2003, 11:07 PM

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Andrew Pratt

03-18-2003, 11:16 PM

Trevor here's one you'll like:)

Inspiron 8500

$4,2871

Inspiron 8500: Mobile Pentium®4 Processor at 2.4 GHz w/ 15.4" WSXGA+ Display LD24HNC [221-2278]
Memory: Free Upgrade from 512MB (2 DIMMs) to 1024MB (2 DIMMs) DDR 266MHz 1024M2P [462-5039]
QuickSnap Colour Inserts: Graphite Swirl QuickSnap Cover GRSWIRL [310-3769]
Video Card: 64MB DDR NVIDIA GeForce 4 4200 Go AGP 4X Graphics NV2864 [320-0637]
Hard Drives: 40GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive 40GB [340-7278]
Operating Systems: Microsoft® Windows® XP SP1 Professional - English WPXP [313-1423][412-0311][420-2578]
Network Adapters: Integrated Network Card INTNIC [430-0493]
Modular CD/DVD Drives: 24X CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive 24COMBO [313-1370][313-1422]
Wireless Networking Cards: Dell TrueMobile™ 1300 WLAN (802.11b/g, 54Mbps) miniPCI Card TM1300I [430-0491]
Primary Battery: 72 Watt Primary Battery ADDBATT [312-0066]
Carrying Case: Dell Leather Carrying Case DLCC [310-3398]
Warranty: 3 Year Limited Warranty - 3 Year On-Site Service, 24x7 Phone Tech Support, 365 days a year. W3OS [950-1090][950-1092]

ZDNet 8500 review (http://www.zdnet.com/supercenter/stories/review/0,12070,589731,00.html#Performance)

This baby will smoke most desktop PC's for performance...and can game with the best of them 8O It'll definatly leave my laptop in the dust since mines only got the lowly ATI 7500 card not the geforce that's available in the big dog machines

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Bing Fung

03-19-2003, 01:12 AM

No, no, no Here is Trev's Laptop

It matches Blue Zone TTP

http://www.alienware.com/main/configurator_pages/details_pages/images/blue.jpg

Alienware Area 51m

-Intel P4 3.06 Ghz 533 FSBw/512kb cache
-Intel 845E+ICH3M Chipset FC-PGA-DDR
-Corsair 1024MB DDR PC-2100
-60 GB 4200 RPM ATA100 Hard Drive
-15" Ultra XGA 1600x1200 LCD Display (Oh Yeah!)
-ATI Mobility Radeon 9000 64MB DDR
-Soundblaster Pro
-3.5 3-Mode Floppy
-1xDVD-R/RW /8x DVD /16x10x24x CD-RW Combo drive
-10/100 NIC
-56K modem
-Built in Wireless 802a/b mini PC card
-Bluetooth PCIMCIA Type II card Adapter
-Windows XP Pro
-Intellivision Retro 50 Gaming Classics
-Sport Back Pak
-Alienware Shirt

$3633.00 us = ~$5958 cdn + taxes

This would kick many a desktop systems butt, taking name in the process.. :D

Here it is colored to match my Silver Dragon PC

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Bing

Paul Wu

03-19-2003, 02:57 AM

I'm heading to Atlanta for our company convetion in June, so Burke got the Georgia Dome location. It's funny, I wasn't planning on going when the convetion was announced, but all of a sudden, we decided that it was something that we had to go. Funny how that works.

Hmm, some fireworks in the other sections, must mean the Guide's growing!

Chris: Belated congrats on your qualifications. Refueling such a big plane has got to take even more skill than those tiny little fighters.

Bing: Congrats on the job. I'm sure you'll do well there. Here's a system that I'm thinking of getting, but I do have a few questions.

AMD ATHLON XP 2400+ 256K 266FSB SOCKET A RETAIL BOX 1
ASUS A7N8X SOCKETA NFORCE2 DDR AGP8X 5PCI USB2.0 ATA133 W/ SOUND & LAN 1
SAMSUNG 512MB PC2700 DDR333 184PIN OEM x 2
WD CAVIAR 120GB INT ATA/100 HD 3.5LP 9MS 8MB 7200RPM OEM 1
1.44 MB High Density Floppy Drive 1
ATI RADEON 9000 64MB DDR AGP DVI/VGA W/ TV OUT OEM 1
ANTEC 1080 PERFORMANCE PLUS CHASSIS 4X5.25IN 6X3.5IN 430W TRUEPOWER GREY 1
CDR LITEON 52X24X52 ATAPI IDE CD-REWRITER SMART-BURN OEM W/ SOFTWARE 1
$1,328.56 CND

What kind of additional cpu fan or case fans should I get?
What't the main difference between the Asus A7N8X and the Delux version? As far as I can make out, it's the serial ATA and the 2nd lan.
I'm not looking for a fast video card as I intend to swap out my Matrox G550 with the ATI. Now that I think about it, maybe I'll just order it without a video card. I'm basically going to canabalize my old computer, so I'll be adding a DVD/CDRW drive, a ZIP drive, and will attempt to mount my old HD to see if I can salvage any data.

Paul

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Pat

03-19-2003, 07:34 AM

Trev, nice flip...cool plates :T

Bing, I like the seeing the images that get posted too :)
Sweet Alienware machine...kinda pricey though, and now widescreen :(

Doug, glad to hear your machine is working again.

Andrew, I'd seen those new widscreen laptops too...very cool.

Gotta go to work...

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Kevin P

03-19-2003, 08:48 AM

xx) xx) Morning folks! xx) xx)

Wow, everyone is going PC crazy! I wish I could join in the fun, but I need to pull a Bing and get a job, before I can pull a Bing and build a rad PC. :-y Seems like everyone likes Athlons, what are the bennies over the P-IV? Cheaper? Faster?

What benefits does a widescreen display on a laptop have, besides watching anamorphic DVDs (which you can do on a 4:3 laptop just as well)? More compact size perhaps?

Oh, and I finally get to say: Bing, Trevor, and Tori, that is a cute alligator. She's quite thoughtful. How old is she again?

I thought of something early this morning, when I woke up, which I'm going to try here. It's Kevin's first official GEEK POLL! Just answer the following questions and we'll all know more about each other's computers, software, and other geeky odds and ends. I'll start.

How many PCs do you have? 3 - main, firewall, and laptop

Describe your primary computer -

Brand: Micron Millennia 3100
CPU: Intel Pentium III/800
Cache: 512 KB (I think)
RAM: 512 MB, PC133
Video: Xtasy GEforce4, 64 MB
Audio: Integrated SoundBlaster 128 compatible
Monitor: old Sony 17"
Speakers: Altec-Lansing cubes w/bass module
Hard Drive(s): 30 GB
Other Drives: DVD-ROM, CD-RW, 8GB Travan tape backup, 3.5" floppy
Other cards: 56K PCI Modem, Netgear 10/100 NIC, SIIG Firewire card
Other devices: Sony USB Memory Stick drive
Printer: HP Deskjet 810C
Keyboard: Microsoft Internet Keyboard
Mouse: Microsoft Wheel Mouse
Operating System: Windows 2000 Professional

Favorite Game: 3D Pinball

Favorite brand of CD-Rs: any decent name brand that isn't too expensive, I just picked up a Sony 50-pack yesterday

Favorite brand of DVD-Rs: N/A, I don't have a DVD burner yet

Internet Access: Cable Modem, Comcast
Networked: yes, old 10baseT hub, plus a 802.11b wireless access point, and a Linux box that acts as a NAT router and firewall.

Your next upgrade will be: I dunno, maybe build a Bing-ish PC, or if something breaks I'll replace it

Ok, now for some really geeky questions:

Last email you received: A "find out more about your friends" email from one of Heather's friends, that's what gave me the idea for this poll, by using geek questions instead

Last SPAM you received: An "online pharmacy" email, this morning

Last virus or worm you received: Klez

Has your system ever been infected with a virus or worm? No

Do you do programming or web development? Yes, Visual Basic, C++, Java, HTML, JavaScript, blah, blah...

Your favorite website: HTGuide, of course! :-y

What operating system would you use if given the choice: Linux

I'm sure I'll think of more questions as the day wears on, and of course anyone participating in the poll can add new questions too!

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Bing Fung

03-19-2003, 09:04 AM

Hey Pauly, Thanks Bro!

Looks like you done pretty well with your parts pick yourself...

Athlon XP 2400, Great Choice! Best bang for buck and overclocks like a champ (when would I not factor in OC'bility ;) ) 2500 Bartons are about $66 bucks more for the newer technology, but don't handily beat the old guard Thoroughbred all the time, so If cost effective performance is paramount, you made the right choice.

A7N8X... Excellent choice! Best Socket A solution going. Differences between the deluxe and non is the deluxe has Serial ATA/RAID, Dual LANs, IEEE 1394 Firewire support and Post Reporter Function.

Samsung 2700 RAM, Excellent choice!

WD Caviar 120 JB drive, Excellent choice!

Antec 1080 case, Excellent choice! I think cases are more personal :)

Lite On 52x24x52, Excellent choice!

You picked exactly the same system I would have Paul, given the same scope of parameters :5:

For the HSF, I'm kinda partial to the Alpha 8045 just because it bolts on to the motherboard rather than clipping on. I'm a fan of the bigger heavier HS just because you don't need as high a RPM fan to keep the CPU at low operating temperatures. In tests I conducted wih my Alpha, there was no real measurable CPU temperature difference between a louder 5000 RPM Sunon and my now 3200 RPM Sunon. This indicates that the heat sink is very well designed such that it can absorb and dissapate heat rapidly regardless of fan CFM. Applying a loud high RPM fan will always compensate for a poorley designed heatsink, so when the Alpha cools the same regardless of fan, you know it's all heat sink. Downside to this is the cost $78.47 which has come down somewhat since I purchased mine at $100.

Another no holds barred heat sink is the Thermal Right SLK800/900 series of full copper heat sinks. These are monsters as well and are tops in cooling down the CPU. My only reservation with them is they mount with the standard lugs onto the plastic clips of the CPU socket. They are at, or surpass the recommended HS maximum weight (~500G for a 3 lug clip) which isn't really a concern if you aren't attending LAN parties or moving the case around lots. These are ~$70 with out fan for the 800, $84 for the 900.

Those 3 should be at the top of your list if you plan on doing any serious overclocking.... Or if you just want to cool you cpu with the lowest RPM fan possible. My Asus Q-Fan throttles my 3200 RPM Sunon to 2300 RPM most times and only kicks it up to 3200 full RPM during 100% CPU loads. It is still relatively quiet at full speed.

Now if your looking for a cost effective HSF, the one that comes with the retail box will do as well, but the 40mm, 5000 RPM fan tends to buzz louder than I care for so, a HS that can accomadate a 80mm fan is nessesary. If you just want quiet cooling, look at the same one Trev just picked up a Thermal take Volcano 9. It does the job and is relatively quiet depending on the fan speed setting. And who can argue with it's feature set? It's loaded! In this price class, there is not any particular one that stands out in my mind as superiour over the other. They all do the job well enough and are better than the stock retail cooler.

Extra case fans, I believe you only need to add 1x80mm fan to the front intake port of the ANTEC 1080 and your set. The Antec comes with 2x80mm exhaust fans and 1x80 side panel fan, I believe. Of course if you want to Pimp it out like Trev's with colored fans. London Drugs has the Antec LED fans on sale right now for $14. I don't know about you but I have a soft spot for these lit fans even though I don't have them in my case, must be a Asian thing for things that go bling, bling, bling. If not, just get a Sunon 80mm 3200 RPM fan and your set to roll.

You picked a gooder :T

Pat, pricey I know, but that's why I picked it for Trev ;) plus it's the fastest laptop available on the planet. It is one of the few that most likely will be able to play Doom III with any type of frame rate adn eye candy. Then who knows, maybe nothing short of an AMD Hammer and ATI Radeon 10000 will be able to play Doom III with eye candy 8O

Bing

Lex

03-19-2003, 09:25 AM

How many PCs do you have? 6 up and running, 1 DOA, 2 on life support, and one in the nursing home. (Garage) for grand total of 10.

Describe your primary computer -

Brand: Which one? ;) Dual Asus Athlon CPU, dual 120 gig WD drives, 1024 meg ram, G-force 3 graphics, creative audigy sound.
CPU: Lots of freekin AMDs, and 1 or to Intel
Cache: 512 KB or should I add up all my cache? LOL
RAM: all told combined, nearly 3 gigabyte.
Video: GEforce3
Audio: yes
Monitor: Sony 19" luggable
Speakers: crap speakers w/bass module
Hard Drive(s): dual 120s
Other Drives: DVD-ROM, CD-RW, 3.5" floppy
Other cards: 56K PCI Modem, Netgear 10/100 NIC, SIIG Firewire card Wanna play 52 card pick up?

Other devices: who cares? Palm, label maker, jazz drive, (bought it because of the name), and other stuff.
Printer: HP 1215 photo printer/also HP fax, copier, printer, and aroma therapy machine.
Keyboard: Was a Sony, until I got mad and slammed my hand down on it one day busting the spacebar key. (Note to self, take anger out on non electronic items.)
Mouse: Microsoft trackballs, the only way to roll.
Operating System: Windows 2000 Professional yeah! Ok, XP pro and XP home on other machines. (booo)

Favorite Game: Photoshop. :LOL:

Favorite brand of CD-Rs: Any ole 50 pack will do. But Sony good.

Favorite brand of DVD-Rs: N/A, I don't have a DVD burner yet

Internet Access: Cable Modem, Comcast
Networked: yes, LEXNET with point to point remote access.

Haha, right, Lexnet? :)

Your next upgrade will be: I dunno, maybe build a LEX-ish PC, or if something breaks I'll replace it. Likely hard drives, huh? :nuke:

Ok, now for some really geeky questions:

Last email you received: hmmm, report stats.

Last SPAM you received: Not sure, I deleted it already.

Last virus or worm you received: Klez, or Big Boss

Has your system ever been infected with a virus or worm? Not recently.

Do you do programming or web development? If I want to get paid on day job I do. Some web dev.

Your favorite website: HTGuide or any MatrixAV site. :), of course! :-y

What operating system would you use if given the choice: Lexux

Lex

Andrew Pratt

03-19-2003, 09:45 AM

How many PCs do you have? 3 - main, glenda's, and laptop

Describe your primary computer -

Brand: custom built
CPU: AMD Athlon 1.33Ghz
Cache: 256 KB
RAM: 256 MB DDR
Video: Geforce2MX 32MB
Audio: C-Media 5 channel
Monitor: Samsung 17"
Speakers: Yamaha
Hard Drive(s): 20 GB 7200RPM Quantum
Other Drives: CD-RW & 3.5" floppy
Other cards: D-Link 10/100 NIC
Other devices: Kodak USB Compact Flash reader
Printer: Epson photo printer
Keyboard: generic with gell wrist rest
Mouse: logitech optical USB Wheel Mouse
Operating System: Windows XP Professional

Favorite Game: Unreal Tournament

Favorite brand of CD-Rs: any decent name brand that isn't too expensive

Favorite brand of DVD-Rs: N/A, I don't have a DVD burner yet

Internet Access: MTS Highspeed DSL
Networked: yes, SMC Barracade 10/100 router connected to My Athlon, glenda's PC and my laptop when it arrives (looking at going wireless)

Your next upgrade will be: Dell 2.4 GHz laptop currently on its way:) This will replace my present PC and I'll hand mine down to glenda and well sell off her trusty old Celeron 300A (@450) to some lucky person:)

Ok, now for some really geeky questions:

Last email you received: one from our CEO about a air travil moritorium given the situation over Iraq:(

Last SPAM you received: don't remember...most of it gets automatically sent to my trash can.

Last virus or worm you received: Klez

Has your system ever been infected with a virus or worm? years ago

Do you do programming or web development? Yes, Visual Basic, HTML, JavaScript,XML,ArcXML

Your favorite website: HTGuide, Canoe (http://www.canoe.ca), Google (http://www.google.com),Office Pools (http://www.officepools.com), Remote Central (http://www.remotecentral.com),Ducks Unlimited Canada (http://www.ducks.ca)

What operating system would you use if given the choice: XP pro

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Mats

03-19-2003, 10:13 AM

Uh huh.. So now one has to jopin the Geek Club too :)
How many PCs do you have? 7 - main, son's, daughters, wifeys, home Linux server, HTGuide Webserver, HTGuide DB Server, Firebird DB Server
Describe your primary computer -
Brand: Dell XPR450R (produced before thez invented the wheel) Everybody else have nicer machine than I have :M
CPU: Intel Pentium II/450
Cache: 512 KB (I think)
RAM: 256 MB, PC133
Video: Matrox G550, 64 MB
Audio: Turtle Beach Montego II
Monitor: old Dell 19"
Speakers: Altec-Lansing cubes w/bass module
Hard Drive(s): 300 GB
Other Drives: DVD-ROM/CD-RW Philips, USB Connected Philips CR-ROM, ZIP-Drive 100MB (never used), 3.5" floppy
Other cards: 10/100/1000 3Com NIC, Hauppauge WinTV PCI so I can work all night long!
Other devices: USB Hub for the external CD-Rom, Palm M505, Memory card reader for the Leica Camera and some other USB bull...
Printer: HP Laserjet 4L
Keyboard: Dell Keyboard
Mouse: Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer
Operating System: Windows 2000 Professional
Favorite Game: Don't have time or nerves for games
Favorite brand of CD-Rs: any decent name brand that isn't too expensive. They're just used for doing backups anyway and as stated earlier in this thread... Real men don't do backup, they re-do :)
Favorite brand of DVD-Rs: N/A, I don't have a DVD burner yet
Internet Access: Cable Modem, Balcab/CableCom
Networked: yes, ZyWALL 1 Firewall/VPN/Switch
Your next upgrade will be: A new PC for me. Something faster than 450 MHz :) Ok, now for some really geeky questions:
Last email you received: from OpenXML about XDOM
Last SPAM you received: Most likely something about homeloan or other crap
Last virus or worm you received: Stopped counting them...
Has your system ever been infected with a virus or worm? Sure but many years ago
Do you do programming or web development? Yes, C++, Java, JavaScript, HTML, DHTML, CFML, PHP, Flash, XML/XSLT, XSQL blah, blah...
Tools More or less All Macromedia MX tools, Photoshop, Illustrator, HomeSite, ColdFusion Studio, XMLSpy, TOAD, JDeveloper, Eclipse, MySQL Front, Dezign for DB's etc. etc.
Your favorite website: HTGuide, of course! :-y (I guess I have to say that:)). DreamWorld (http://www.dreams2.com) when I need inspiration on Flash stuff.
What operating system would you use if given the choice: Linux if I only could find decent webdevelopment tools on that platform... We're not there yet... So.. that was geeky enough eh? :)

Mats
HTGuide (http://www.htguide.com/)

Bing Fung

03-19-2003, 10:17 AM

Ha, ha Kevin, I'll be back in the food stamp line come July :W

Athlons don't hold a real advantage over Intels anymore... Conversely I personally give the edge to Intel because there latest round of P4's scale so well with clock speed increases. P4's are the overclock kings at this point. I think AMD just has what is called cult following by the PC enthusiests.

Agreed on the wide screen, give me that Alienware Area 51m. So what if it weighs in at a porky 9.5 pounds... thats the price of power :rofl:

Thanks on my alligator Kevin. Tori is 5 years old and she display advanced artistic abilities for that age group, IMHO.

And a Bing inspired PC is in the cards for you buddy!

Geek Poll

Lex Wins!!!! on PC's :amen: :amen: But Mats does for doing the geekeist Shei-att with the slowest CPU 8O

How many PCs do you have? 3 - main, secondary and cave laptop

Describe your primary computer -

Brand: Custom Build
CPU: AMD 2100XP over clocked to 2300 XP levels
Cache: 128kb L1/256kb L2
RAM: 1024 Mb Samsung 2700 DDR with Cool blue Heat Spreaders
Video: ATI 9700 Pro Radeon over clocked to 360/330 with Zalman HP-80A Heat pipe
Audio: Sound blaster live 5.1 Platinum
Monitor: Sony G520P 21" Trinitron / NEC FP950 19" Dual Display
Speakers: Klipsch Pro media 2.1
Hard Drive(s): 1x120 Western Digital Special Edition 8mb JB, 2x40Gb Maxtor ATA 133 in RAID 0 Stripe, 1x40Gb Quantum Fireball
Other Drives: 16x DVD-ROM, 48x24x48 Plextor CDR-W, No Floppy
Other cards: Asus 880 TV Tuner card with 10bit Conexant 23880 Capture chip (sweetness) Intel Pro 100 NIC, 2 Onboard IEEE 1394 Firewire ports
Other devices: Microtech CCF card Reader-USB, Logitech Quick Cam Pro-USB, Generic 4 Port USB hub, Microsoft Game Voice microphone head set, Microtek C6 Slim Scan scanner, Linksys BEFW11S4 Wireless Router, Palm/Handspring Visor
Printer: Canon BJC8200 Photo Printer-USB
Keyboard: IBM Keyboard
Mouse: Logitech MX700 Wireless Mouse
Operating System: Windows XP Professional

Favorite Game: Right now it is Ghost Recon for Xbox on Live and Splinter Cell for PC

Favorite brand of CD-Rs: Cursor 40x Silvers 100 cake because my console DVD player can read these

Favorite brand of DVD-Rs: N/A, I don't have a DVD burner yet

Internet Access: ADSL Hi-speed Sympatico, Alcatel 1200 Modem

Networked: Yes, Linksys BEFW11S4 Wireless Router. Feeding the main, secondary and Xbox Live.

Your next upgrade will be: Working on and planning the A7N8X.. Would like to buy a new Hidef TV...

Ok, now for some really geeky questions:

Last email you received: Legitimate one? Humm waiting for my spam buster to filter out.... DOH, all spam nothing since yesterday.. Sasktel Job Agent, New Job Postings.

Last SPAM you received: checking auto Spam filtered folder right now.... Guaranteed Credit UNSECURED $7500 Platiumn Credit Card...

Last virus or worm you received: Dunno... I have uninstalled and reinstall NAV a couple times for the newest version 2003 was killing the audio of my TV tuner card... Go figuer

Has your system ever been infected with a virus or worm? No

Do you do programming or web development? No, I'm just a rank amature.. that still uses Front page and understands a bit of HTML and Visual basic.

Your favorite website: HTGuide, of course! :-y and Hard OCP

What operating system would you use if given the choice: Dunno, ya only know what cha only know so it Windows XP for me.

Bing

Andrew Pratt

03-19-2003, 11:00 AM

Bing when do you start your new job?

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Bing Fung

03-19-2003, 11:07 AM

What a set up...

Bing

Bing Fung

03-19-2003, 11:08 AM

Monday 24th Start date.

Here is a picture of my Overclocked 9700Pro Radeon with the Zalman HP 80A heat pipe cooler.

http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/fung1/zalman.jpg

http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/fung1/zalman2.jpg

I have since added some fans that allow me to run the card up to 380Mhz from the stock 325 mhz core clock. Memory overclock is only at 660Mhz DDR from 620Mhz stock. I may need some BGA RAM sinks.

http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/fung1/sc1s.jpg

Here are 2 games I have been playing, The First on is Splinter Cell, and the Graphiocs are amazing. the Screen shots don't do it justice. In this image there is a lot of Raytracing going on and those beams of light comeing down are truely stunning in game.

http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/fung1/gr_pc2s.jpg

This is Ghost Recon on PC, the 9700Pro graphics really surpass the Xbox Ghost Recon Graphics, How ever I have been having a lot of fun playin the Xbox version on the Live with my buddy Cam in Calgary. Those Live communicator head sets really make it seem as if we are on the same team/battlefield... Anyone with an Xbox, please buy or rent this game and lets play!

Oh yeah FLIP! Thanks Andrew, that was a rubber Duck if I ever seen one :LOL:

Bing

George Bellefontaine

03-19-2003, 11:22 AM

What the... ? Did I just stumble into Computer World ?

Weather update from the great Northeast: COLD !

Trevor, I need a pic to get my heart started today.

Andrew, Glenda looks great. Nice room for the new arrival.

My Homepage! (http://www.mts.net/~glendap/george.htm)

Mats

03-19-2003, 11:30 AM

Giving George a helping hand ;)

http://www.htguide.com/CFBoards/Attach/sophie005.jpg

Mats
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Bing Fung

03-19-2003, 11:36 AM

whoo-hoo-hooo Good one Mats! Tho she looks a bit young, either that or I'm getting old :nonod:

Bing

efarstad

03-19-2003, 11:36 AM

:sn :sn :sn Good Morning! :sn :sn :sn

Ok, so I go downstairs this morning and there is my beautiful wife and son sitting at the breakfast nook table...my wife had just made fresh muffins and across from her is a muffin on a plate with a single candle lit! She starts singing happy birthday to me and my son starts to sway and smile! :D UH...I wanted to stay home!! But as I was leaving I gave Andrew a hug and then placed him down on the carpet...began to walk away and he started crying and crawled frantically over to me....I picked him up again and gave him another big hug! Placed him down again and he started to cry again...reaching up for me....fellas that was THE BEST B-day present a little guy could give his daddy!!!!

Bing get's the flip! 8)

Trev: I don't see your name on the DELL...do I need a secret decoder ring or something? :P Dude...I bet you'll get THAT Dell!

Paul: Have fun on your trip! 8)

Andrew: Figure all the functions of that camera out yet?

Pat: Have "fun" at work!

Kev: Don't worry I'm not PCin' it either...and I don't know all that stuff to answer your poll! 8O Heck you'd all laugh at the ice age I'm livin' in with my computer!

George: Stay warm! Here...:sn

Mats: You may kill some folks with weak hearts with posts like that!

Have a great day guys....

E

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The Norwegian A/V Nut!
E-Cinema (http://www.devotionsbyerik.com/e-cinema.htm)

George Bellefontaine

03-19-2003, 11:44 AM

Thanks, Mats, my heart is going a mile a minute now. :drool:

My Homepage! (http://www.mts.net/~glendap/george.htm)

Andrew Pratt

03-19-2003, 12:04 PM

cool the new MEC (http://www.mec.ca/Main/home.jsp) catalog showed up today :yesnod:

Bing good luck on the job!

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Gordon Moore

03-19-2003, 12:27 PM

:LOL: Andrew, I get excited when the Canadian Tire catalog shows up at the door. It immediately goes into the bathroom reading rack.
'Course reading material is only supplied in my bathroom. The main level bathroom has potpourri and flowers and the like. (BAH!)

Not mine (in the basement of course). Well maybe a can of lysol but that's it (original scent...not the flowery stuff)

arrh, arrh, arrh....arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrh! :D

Gordon Moore

03-19-2003, 12:32 PM

Hey now There's a Poll:

What reading material is in YOUR bathroom?

mine:

Lee Valley Catalog,
Canadian Tire,
Computing Canada,
Network Computing Canada,
Sony Electronics Canada Products Catalog 2003,
Yamaha Canada AV Catalog 2003 (all the new HT products 8) ).
Old Denon 5800 product flyer (not sure why I have that anymore...I'm kinda partial to Yamaha now for receivers)

Lex

03-19-2003, 12:37 PM

What's the matter with you guys. I get excited when the new Pl@yboy arrives, lol.

Relax George, relax. :LOL:

Lex

George Bellefontaine

03-19-2003, 12:54 PM

Gordon, where did you get the Yamaha Canada Catalogue ?

My reading material ? I don't have a bathroom rack so I grab something from the mag rack when the time comes. Love the idea of HT catalogues, though.

My Homepage! (http://www.mts.net/~glendap/george.htm)

Kevin P

03-19-2003, 01:00 PM

Afternoon folks. Just finished lunch. Had to run out and get cat food. :)

Judging from the reactions of Mats' graphic, I'm thinking that my stealth browser saved my a$$ once again. 8O

Cute story there E. I still don't want kids. ;)

I can just imagine when lil' Andrew reaches the terrible twos::sn :sn :sn Good Morning! :sn :sn :sn

Today I found my son got into the fridge and dumped the milk all over the floor! Then he climbed up on the counters and started playing in the sink with all the dirty dishes, dropping a few on the floor! Oh what the hey, they're just dishes! :D Yesterday he spilled milk all over my ice-age PC and fried it so now I have to buy a new one! I'm still cleaning the finger paints off of the HDTV screen! 8) Life is so great, I didn't want to leave for work because I miss my wonderful son so much! Nicole just called and told me that Andrew just set fire to the living room rug! He's SO wonderful, I just want to hug him!! :D

I don't read in the bathroom. Not very often anyway. Last time I read something on the john was the sendmail documentation I had just printed out. :E

KJP

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efarstad

03-19-2003, 01:24 PM

Kev: :rofl: Perhaps you should write children books!

E

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The Norwegian A/V Nut!
E-Cinema (http://www.devotionsbyerik.com/e-cinema.htm)

Gordon Moore

03-19-2003, 01:44 PM

Wandered into the local downtown ABSound and saw the catalog on top of a Yamaha RXV3300. The guy said I could have it. It has all the latest specs on their receivers, plasmas, projectors etc...

I don't think there's anything that you can't see off the web, it's just that it would be a little hard to browse from the throne. ;)

However with Andrew going wireless with his laptop...all he needs is a fridge in his and we'd never see him again. :P

Gordon Moore

03-19-2003, 01:46 PM

Just to clarify...he said I could have the catalog not the receiver...the security guard made that distinction as I walked out the door. :LOL: :P :oops: ;)

Burke Strickland

03-19-2003, 02:06 PM

Now that we are a quarter of the way through the page flps for TTP IX, not that anyone is counting, :>) here are unofficial stats so far:

( 3 ) Andrew Pratt
( 1 ) Bing Fung
( 2 ) Burke Strickland
( 4 ) Chris Dotur
( 3 ) David Meek
( 1 ) Kevin Patz
( 2 ) Lex
( 2 ) Mats
( 1 ) Pat
( 1 ) Paul Wu
( 1 ) Sonnie Parker
( 3 ) Trever Schell
( 1 ) X - Not Counted
( 25 ) Total Flips

With 26 total pages so far, we have 25 flips, 24 of which are actually credited to participants. Three folks have started four pages (Chris Dotur, David Meek, Trevor Schell), but as we have discussed before, according to the "rules", the third flip of three-in-a-row gets disqualified and the first page isn't a flip. (That's one reason why we go to page 101 before starting a new edition -- stats are a lot easier to compute when based on 100 instead of 99 and that gives us 100 flips.)

Burke

Burke Strickland

03-19-2003, 02:19 PM

E -- I think your excitment over your son's first celebration of your birthday and his "present" to you is wonderful. I hope your loving relationship endures through all his ages growing up, and beyond. (Sometimes teens are a lot less anxious to be around their parents than babies or toddlers, at least when their peers are present, but that doesn't necessarily mean there is not still a strong bond there.)

Cute story there E. I still don't want kids.
The world would be better off if a lot more people who don't really want kids didn't have them. I really feel sorry for unwanted children whom the parents have anyway. They almost inevitably get abused one way or another.

One of the advantages of being an uncle instead of a daddy is being able to hand a wet-diapered, screaming child back to its parents. :>) But for those who want the responsibility of parenthood, there are rewards that cannot be duplicated by material possessions or work. (So I'm told.) :>)

Burke

Andrew Pratt

03-19-2003, 02:36 PM

just returned from a free lunch and seminar from the executive staff...went very well actually. Its nice to hear some good news for a change:)

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Gordon Moore

03-19-2003, 02:48 PM

Andrew, what's good news?

Did they give you your own assigned parking space?
...a raise?
...keys to the excutive washroom? what?

Andrew Pratt

03-19-2003, 03:01 PM

ducks unlimited canada as a company receives approx 2/3's of its funding from our sister organization in the US and various partners. With the US economy in the toilete that funding wasn't expected to be what we'd hoped but anyway things are looking up so its all good

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efarstad

03-19-2003, 03:20 PM

Thanks Burke! :D

That's great Andrew...good news is, well good! ;)

Can I go home early since it's my birthday?

E

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E-Cinema (http://www.devotionsbyerik.com/e-cinema.htm)

Andrew Pratt

03-19-2003, 03:30 PM

E! is it your birthday or Andrews today?

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Jeff Aguilar

03-19-2003, 04:03 PM

Hap-E Birthday!!! Today, E is offically 29. Nichole's birthday was last Wednesday!

efarstad

03-19-2003, 04:25 PM

Thanks Jeff!

It's my birthday and I'll :cry: if I want to :cry: if I want to :cry: if I want to....but I don't! :sn

:party:

E

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E-Cinema (http://www.devotionsbyerik.com/e-cinema.htm)

Bing Fung

03-19-2003, 04:32 PM

Happy Birthday E! Now go home....

8x)

Bing

Eduardo

03-19-2003, 04:34 PM

Well - although no one has really noticed, I've been MIA. I ended up at the doctors on Monday because my ankle was still swollen and hurting. It seems I have been walking on a broken ankle for 2 weeks. :( Tuesday I went to a Orthopedic Specialist and he told me that the ankle bone had been chipped and I have ligament damage on both sides. I will be going to physical therapy for the next couple of months.
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replying from memory, if I miss anything I am sorry.

Lex wrote:
What's the matter with you guys. I get excited when the new Pl@yboy arrives, lol. Is that why you keep it in the bathroom? ;)

Bing - althought a little late - I like your gator. I didn't know you could OC a video card. I love your PC too.

Trev - congrats on the upgraded PC. Looks great

Pat - congrats on the temp job.

Sonnie - thanks the truck has dried out.

Kev - my computer is a rock and chisel :D I'll try to answer your poll seriously later.

Pr@ - Your pics from the new camera looks great.

Chris - God bless you and all our military in these trying times.

Mat-s - 8O - Thanks for that hot picture. :drool:

Burke - Hi

Hap - E => Happy Birthday. :party:

Jeff - Hola

Be back soon hopefully - Bye

http://home.nc.rr.com/ejimenez

efarstad

03-19-2003, 05:10 PM

EJ: Good Lordy man...take it easy...walking on a broken ankle! 8O

Get better soon....

And thanks for the wishes fellas....and next year I promise I'll turn 30! :oops:

E

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The Norwegian A/V Nut!
E-Cinema (http://www.devotionsbyerik.com/e-cinema.htm)

Bing Fung

03-19-2003, 05:13 PM

What's the matter with you guys. I get excited when the new Pl@yboy arrives, lol.

Lex

Yeah sure Lex.... http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/fung1/cool.gif :rofl:

I noticed Eduardo, wow man, your tolerence for pain must be huge for you to think that was just a slight sprain or what not, get well soon man!

Thanks on the PC & Gator ;) Yep Graphics Processor is just a glorified CPU.

Bing

Chris D

03-19-2003, 05:24 PM

Happy birthday to E, happy birthday to E. Happy birthday to Eeeeeeeeeeeee..... Happy birthday to E.

(sounds like something Mini-Me would sing)

Rainy day in OK today. I see it's dumping snow in Colorado, my home state. All my family is buried in several feet of snow there.

I'm not flying through the weekend, so the week's over! Yeehaw!

CHRIS
http://www.htguide.com/bilder/images/199/C17gif.jpg Luke: "Hey, I'm not such a bad pilot myself, you know"

efarstad

03-19-2003, 05:33 PM

Thanks Chris...you are a mighty fine singer!
;b>'> ;s@ :banana: :dudes:

Just curious...any of your C-17 buddies over their in the Middle East? I'd think they use those big mothers for transporting a lot of the equipment. And glad you're still in training too!!!

You're coming home soon aren'tcha? End of March? What date? Need a ride from the airport?

E

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The Norwegian A/V Nut!
E-Cinema (http://www.devotionsbyerik.com/e-cinema.htm)

Pat

03-19-2003, 05:43 PM

Bing, nice flip!
I didn't know you could overclock a video card either 8O
Funny graphic for Lex :rofl:

Mats, nice pic :boobies:

E, Happy B-Day buddy :sn
There isn't much fun to be had at work...but I tried :)

Gordon, Stereophiles Guide to Home Theater, Widescreen review

Burke, thanks for keeping the stats up-to-date :T
I totally agree on the Uncle thing :)

Pr@, umm...free lunch...lucky dog

Eduardo: Dude, that's tough, finding out you have a broken angle instead of a sprain 8O
I've had friends tell me that breaks actually hurt less than a sprain...maybe that's what happened in your case?
Sorry I didn't get a temp job, that was Bing...all is forgiven...you did say you were going from memory ;)

Chris, rainy here too...glad it's not sn*w

Hi Doug/George/Sonnie and anyone else I might have missed :later:

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Chris D

03-19-2003, 05:45 PM

I belong to the Small Yellow Round Guy Band, (SYRGB) playing tambourine.
;b>'>

Yeah, the C-17's are hot and heavy right now, taking all last minute people and materials to the front lines. And I know lots of people throughtout the military in various jobs. I really pray for them all. Of course, I'll be joining them myself here shortly.

Yeah, about another 1-2 weeks and I'll be done. Gonna drive back with my sportscar in tow, about a 3 day drive.

CHRIS
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efarstad

03-19-2003, 05:46 PM

I HIGHLY recommend this read:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81450,00.html

It puts things into a good perspective at this critical time.

E

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Pat

03-19-2003, 05:46 PM

Who wants to run for the flip?

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Pat

03-19-2003, 05:47 PM

Anyone?

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Pat

03-19-2003, 05:47 PM

Flip!

For Bing and Eduardo (they asked)
My Whisper Klones (made by ThomasW)
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Chris D

03-19-2003, 05:48 PM

flip?

CHRIS
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efarstad

03-19-2003, 05:49 PM

Me?

E

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efarstad

03-19-2003, 05:50 PM

No birthday flip for me! :cry:

Pat...me thinks those don't whisper but YELL!!! 8O 8O 8O

E

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Pat

03-19-2003, 05:52 PM

Whoa, that was a close one :)

Nice try guys!

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Bing Fung

03-19-2003, 05:53 PM

Hokey dyna... a 3 way fight for the flip!

Hee he, Thanks Pat, I thought it fitting for Lex's comment ;)

Beautiful set-up Pat, WOW! So are those speakers as clear sounding as they look to be??? I bet they are crystal clear.

Bing

Pat

03-19-2003, 06:04 PM

Now to try to answer Kevins poll:

How many PCs do you have? 1

Describe your primary computer -
Brand: Dell Dimension 1000
CPU: Intel Pentium III/1gig
Cache: ?
RAM: 320MB
Video: ?
Audio: ?
Monitor: Mag 800v
Speakers: Cambridge Soundworks Cubes w/bass module
Hard Drive(s): 20 GB
Other Drives: CD-RW, 3.5" floppy, Zip100
Other cards: Unknown 10/100 NIC
Other devices: SanDisk Card Reader
Printer: HP Deskjet 722C
Keyboard: Microsoft Natural Keyboard
Mouse: Microsoft Optical Intellimouse
Operating System: Windows ME
Favorite Game: Don't have any games loaded.
Favorite brand of CD-Rs: whatever is on sale
Favorite brand of DVD-Rs: N/A, I don't have a DVD burner yet
Internet Access: Cable Modem
Networked: no
Your next upgrade will be: a laptop

Ok, now for some really geeky questions:
Last email you received: From a friend
Last SPAM you received: Don't recall...automatic delete
Last virus or worm you received: Klez
Has your system ever been infected with a virus or worm? No
Do you do programming or web development? No
Your favorite website: HTGuide, of course!
What operating system would you use if given the choice: ?

E, sorry about the B-Day flip...Chris would have gotten it if I hadn't.
They don't yell...they are very well behaved ;)

Bing, Clear, defined and all those other audiophile terms 8)

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Jeff Aguilar

03-19-2003, 07:25 PM

Wow, Pat! 8O

I bet those speaker blend into the wall when you turn off the lights and turn on the movie. Heck, they ARE the WALL! :D

Who made them and how do they sound from what you had before.

Sure makes my Energy Veritas look small!!!

Chris - E and I have been doing work on your new home. We hope that you like it. It should be warm and worn in when you get there. We have been housing the homeless so that all that space would not be being wasted. Also, the exterior color change was E's idea!

Jeff

Jeff Aguilar

03-19-2003, 07:32 PM

E - good article. I just got done reading it. It does put things into perspective.

J

efarstad

03-19-2003, 08:53 PM

Yea Chris, Jeff and I finished the final coat last weekend...we'd show you pictures but would hate to spoil the surprise! :P

E

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Trevor Schell

03-19-2003, 09:31 PM

Hey Guys!!

Happy Birthday E!! :party:

Eduardo!..Hope you get healed up soon. You must have a huge tolerance for PAIN..Broken for 2 weeks..OUCH!!:E

Kevin..Oh, and I finally get to say: Bing, Trevor, and Tori, that is a cute alligator. She's quite thoughtful. How old is she again?

Tori just turned 6 years old in December. Thanks for the nice comments..

Bing!!Wouldn't you recommend for Paul to get the Barton Chip for $63 more. I figured with the Asus A7N8X and PC 2700 ram ,,Paul wpuld be able to run the board at a 333 bus speed. Otherwise he is bottlenecked at 266Mhz bus speed causing him to under run his system when it would have potential to go the next level. Am I right on this.

Paul, Congrats on the Computer upgrade..Suggestion though..Go with a case that has a glass door!..Then you can add Neon lighting to it!:T
If they don't have the glass door configuration available ,just ask them to through the parts in a bag or carton for you and you can assemble it yourself after purchasing a clear door case!!GO FOR IT!! :yesnod:

Mats,,Thanks for posting a Chic Pic for George!
That should have gotten his heart throbbing into high gear!:hump:

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Lex

03-19-2003, 09:32 PM

I deposited the money order and shipped my Infinity Composition 2's today. They are history. Only 4800 more to go to pay for my Extremas. Ouch.

You guys are posting maniacs today. :P

Lex

Lex

03-19-2003, 09:37 PM

Reports just in of airraid sirens going off in Baghdad, and some anti-aircraft fire. Reported to maybe be pre-war focused hits on select targets.

Looks like it may be preparing to start soon. But now they are saying it's quite again.

Lex

Trevor Schell

03-19-2003, 09:43 PM

Trev: I don't see your name on the DELL...do I need a secret decoder ring or something? Dude...I bet you'll get THAT Dell!

Erik!,,You just didn't look hard enough!

KEY FEATURES:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Processor: Mobile Intel® Pentium® 4 up to 2.40 GHZ. The Intel 845MP chipset is optimized for use with Trevor and the Mobile Pentium 4 processors and ratchets the Processor Support Bus (PSB) to 400MHz.
Display: Stunning viewing area with the new 15.4" Wide Aspect, UltraSharpTM displays at WSXGA+ and WUXGA. Wide Aspect displays deliver impressive DVD viewing for Trevor and additional screen area for increased productivity.
Video Graphics: Leading edge video graphics featured in the 32MB ATI MOBILITYTM RADEONTM 9000, and NVIDIA® GeForce4TM 4200 Go for crisp imaging and improved streaming video that willplease Trevor's eyes..
Media Bay Options: Dual-purpose CDRW + DVD Combo Drive comes standard with the Inspiron 8500. Eliminate the need for multiple bays, watch DVD movies and burn music in one simple bay Trevor style. Or, add a 2nd Battery and stay at work or play longer.
Storage: Hard drives up to 60GB to meet Trevor's storage requirements.
Memory: Up to 2GB of memory give you excellent overall performance that will keep Trevor smiling.
Modem & LAN Connected Solutions: Integrated 56K3 v.92 modem for easy dial-up Internet connections and integrated 10/100 Ethernet NIC for convenient broadband and network connections for advanced internet access that people like Trevor deserve.
Wireless Connectivity Solutions: Integrated Dual-Band (802.11 a/b) antenna that supports wireless connections to both 802.b (11Mbps) and 802.11 a (54 Mbps) Wi-Fi networks when combined with wireless card ,because we want Trevor to surf wireless. Optional Internal Dell TrueMobileTM 1300 802.11b/g (54Mbps)and optional Dell TrueMobile 1184 Wireless Broadband Router allow for internet connectivity anywhere in your home and in the garage while sitting in the Corvette.
Height and Weight: As light as 6.9 lbs4 with travel airbay module and 72-WHr battery.
QuickSnap Color Display(LCD) Backhoose from 5 different stylish colors to personalize your notebook.

Told You!! :amen:

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Trevor Schell

03-19-2003, 09:46 PM

Bing!!,,

I just love this picture!!:T

http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/fung1/zalman2.jpg

;x( ;x( ;x( ;x(

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Trevor Schell

03-19-2003, 09:51 PM

Bing!!,,Here is another Smiley for Lex!!

http://members.shaw.ca/TTP/aaplby.gif

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Trevor Schell

03-19-2003, 09:57 PM

Finally!,,Here is one for George to kickstart his heart when he gets up in the morning.

http://members.shaw.ca/TTP/z48.jpg

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Lex

03-19-2003, 10:38 PM

lol Bing, I just saw that on the last page. :twisted: Anybody got a smiley with a boot? hehe.

Trevor, cool smiley :)

Lex

Trevor Schell

03-19-2003, 10:42 PM

Which one Lex!

The Blue one with the Book or the one walking up the stairs that puts a Big Smile on your face! :drool:

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Bing Fung

03-19-2003, 10:53 PM

Trev, it's tough choice between these two chips, however I know Paul is looking for bang for buck so the 2400XP is a good choice.

Bear with me here as I think and write... Another consideration is that although the 2400 XP is running at a slower FSB (133 Mhz) it has a higher multiplier (15X) for a clock speed of 2.0 Ghz. Now consider this for a moment, Running at a FSB of 133 Mhz, the 2400XP system really has a lot of head room for it probably could be over clocked to nearly 166FSB anyway. The Samsung RAM could certainly handle this for it's rated at 166Mhz and has been tested as high as 207Mhz. That could possibly yield a CPU that is running at 2490 Mhz. Or put another way basically a 2800XP. With the Barton on the other hand, the Samsung is aready running at it's rated speed of 166 mhz, so the head room there is a lot lower by default. Unless you had the 3200/3500 Ram, I think the 2400XP will be the faster chip here.

The Barton is performance rated at 2500 with an actual 11x multipier @ 166 mhz FSB. This gives it an actual clock speed of 1830 mhz. Now remember the only real advantage the Barton has over the older T'breds it the bigger L2 cache and the 166FSB. The L2 cache in itself does not always translate to tangible performance gains because some applications perform better with the extra cache, while some don't benefit much at all. Some people even feel that the performance ratings AMD has applied to the new Barton's are more Marketing hype that real performance values. My gut tells me this is possible.... Actual Clock speed is usually king.... Tom's stated the performance rating of the XP 3000 is aggressive and that the old 2800XP actual left it in the dust in most benchmarks. And if a 2400XP can be ran at near 166FSB anyway, it really has an advantage I feel.

Apperently the Althon does not really need the L2 cache as much as the Pentium design. The P4 when launched was really a dog out of the gates. What picked it out of the ground was the extra cache (512 from 256). Performance of this chip jumped as high as 64% with the added amount. The Athlon depends more on its L1 cache, which is still at 128kb and early tests of various application show not to expect too much from Barton's L2 cache.

In the end, I think it's pretty equal, and until I see more benchmarks of the 2500 Barton I think the 2400XP is still a good deal.

I have been waffeling on this myself, wondering if I should buy the 2400Xp or the XP 2500 Barton... :LOL: So I'll have to say "I don't know..." :huh:

Haha, funny hey Lex?

Good one Trev, That would go well together...

Lex with his new mag.. http://members.shaw.ca/TTP/aaplby.gif http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/fung1/cool.gif Sorry Lex, sorry for picking on you...

Thanks on the picture Trev, it's actually a bit burry but it shows the idea.

Bing

Trevor Schell

03-19-2003, 11:17 PM

I like the Burry picture! ;)

That's funny Bing!!Poor Lex,,We just bug the heck out of him,,Don't we!!
http://members.shaw.ca/TTP/aalexlol.gif

Here's a picture of the Blue Zone TTP in it's new home!
(Sorry about the poor Pic)
http://members.shaw.ca/TTP/TTP%20BLue.jpg

The Barton arrived today but nobody was home..2nd attempt will be tomorrow. I just hate when I pay that extra fee for quicker shipping and then we get it late anyways.. :banghead:

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Bing Fung

03-19-2003, 11:24 PM

Wow! That looks great up there Trev...

The Blue Zone TTP is really beautiful!

The New Fan on the Volcano 9 will be purdy to look at from there. And the HD activity light will come into play for you.

:5:

Bing

Trevor Schell

03-19-2003, 11:27 PM

Pat!,,Sorry! Forgot to mention!!.Everytime I see your speaker I go :E :E :E :E :E :E :E :E :E :E

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Trevor Schell

03-19-2003, 11:29 PM

Thanks for the 5 Star rating Bing!!
Hey! ,It's your work,,you better give it 5 stars!..

Thanks Bud!! :amen:

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Andrew Pratt

03-19-2003, 11:37 PM

hey guys took some more pictures of my now nearly complete M8a towers

Click here if you dare! (http://www.htguide.com/CFBoards/index.cfm?fuseaction=Threads.viewthread&CFB=1&TID=59099&forum=6&DoOnePage=Yes)

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Lex

03-20-2003, 12:24 AM

Nice flip pic pat. don't ask me to say that again real fast 3 times in a row. ;)

Bing, Trevor, I'll get you for that. :LOL:

Lex

Pat

03-20-2003, 07:26 AM

Jeff, Thanks...they really do dissapear when the lights go out.
Thomas W made them...he is one of the DIY moderators here (in case you didn't know)
If you want construction details click here (http://t-3.cc/users/kloneaudio/page15WhisperProj1.html), Thomas has documented the process very well.
There really is no comparison to what I had before...the Whispers will be here for quite some time :T

Trev, cool looking PC and desk :T
Thanks on the speakers :)

Andrew, your new towers look really good, nice work!

Doug, Thanks.

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Bing Fung

03-20-2003, 09:26 AM

Poor Lex,,We just bug the heck out of him,,Don't we!!

Lex is the BEST ;x( ;x( What ever you do to us Lex, we probably deserve it... ;)

Pat, When they say a picture says a thousand words, well with your picture of the Whispers, I swear I can hear them and they are right in the room with me.. heheh Seriously, looking at them it's as if I can just hear them, that's how much presence they have. I would most definitly like to hear them.

Andrew, great work, you should be very proud. We will have to come by some day just for a visit and to audition those excellent looking speakers.

Bing

Andrew Pratt

03-20-2003, 09:28 AM

morning fella's.

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Andrew Pratt

03-20-2003, 09:28 AM

morning fella's.

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Kevin P

03-20-2003, 09:42 AM

xx) xx) Morning everyone!! xx) xx)

(I wonder if E's getting sick of me mocking his happy guy posts!) :LOL:

My HT nut co-worker friend just got a new toy, a Sony DVP-CX875P 300-disc DVD changer. For giggles we hooked it up to my tubicle system and sampled a CD, it sounded pretty good though we didn't A/B it against my 555ES megachanger. He's run out of room for his DVD collection so this player will be a big help.

I'm beginning to think that I could set my watch to Pat's daily 7:26 AM post. :) Those speakers look wonderful, and I've found that most speakers that look wonderful sound wonderful too!

Trev, I like your new PC, it's cool blue!

Not much else to do right now except to earn today's nickel, so I'll talk to ya folks later.

Looks like the war's started. :a>'> Hopefully it'll happen quickly and with minimal casualties.

KJP

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Andrew Pratt

03-20-2003, 09:45 AM

(I wonder if E's getting sick of me mocking his happy guy posts!)

why limit it to just E! :LOL:

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Eduardo

03-20-2003, 09:51 AM

Pat - thank you for the flip pic. I actually remember looking at them a while ago. I didn't know at the time they where custom made. :T

Trev - thanks for the morning starter

snipe?

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Eduardo

03-20-2003, 09:52 AM

I'm going for it

http://home.nc.rr.com/ejimenez

Eduardo

03-20-2003, 09:53 AM

maybe?

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Eduardo

03-20-2003, 09:53 AM

Flip !!!!!

http://www.caribbean-pictures.com/img359.jpg

Mmm - hopefully going to the Carribean for our 1st Anniversay (6 months away) 8)

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Andrew Pratt

03-20-2003, 09:57 AM

where's the picture edurdo?

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Kevin P

03-20-2003, 10:07 AM

Yeah Eduardo, you know you have 5 minutes to get a picture on your flip post or else one of us will pick out a picture for you! :twisted: 8O

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Eduardo

03-20-2003, 10:34 AM

where's the picture edurdo? Of course I wasn't ready for the flip and then I could think of something to post. Then the phone rang and HAD to talk to him about his backups.

Pr@ - your speakers look awesome. Your a very good craftsman.

Kev - Whewww - glad I got my pic before someone put one for me. :roll:

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Eduardo

03-20-2003, 10:38 AM

Joke:
There was a Frenchman, an Englishman and Claudia Schiffer sitting together in a carriage in a train going through Provence. Suddenly the train went through a tunnel and as it was an old style train, there were no lights in the carriages and it went completely dark. Then there was a kissing noise and the sound of a really loud slap. When the train came out of the tunnel, Claudia Schiffer and the Englishman were sitting as if nothing had happened and the Frenchman had his hand against his face as if he had been slapped there. The Frenchman was thinking: 'The English fella must have kissed Claudia Schiffer and she missed him and slapped me instead.' Claudia Schiffer was thinking: 'The French fella must have tried to kiss me and actually kissed the Englishman and got slapped for it.' And the Englishman was thinking: 'This is great. The next time the train goes through a tunnel I'll make another kissing noise and slap that French bastard again.'

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Kevin P

03-20-2003, 10:44 AM

Eduardo, :LOL:

And from the "what people will do for a buck" dept., check out this Ebay auction. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2916669204) :roll:

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Andrew Pratt

03-20-2003, 10:50 AM

as an englishman I love that joke:) I expect its rather popular with many americans as well lately ;)

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efarstad

03-20-2003, 11:05 AM

:sn :sn :sn Good Morning! :sn :sn :sn

What, Kevin is mocking me? NO! ;) That is by far the most pitiful ebay auction I've ever seen! :LOL:

EJ: Nice flip and jealous if you do end up going there! LOL...too on that joke!

Trev: Oh, now I see your Name on it!!! 8)

Busy day of meetings for me...so I'll probably be a bit silent today but have a great day!

E

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Kevin P

03-20-2003, 11:13 AM

What gets me is there were 38 bids! That same guy has another, similar auction. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3204&item=2918537597) And this one (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1469&item=2917617532) too. :throwup:

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George Bellefontaine

03-20-2003, 11:50 AM

Gidday from the great Northeast where the temp is 40 F. Wowee, Spring is on the way.

Trevor, I just caught that pic you posted yesterday. OMG :roll: That not only started my heart, it caused a short circuit in my veins.

Happy belated birthday to Eric.

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Sonnie Parker

03-20-2003, 12:05 PM

Good morning gents!

Nice flip pic Eduardo.... I'd love to be there!

Andrew, your pics look good.... sure different (in a nice way) from the original pics you posted of your home when you first purchased it. Looking good and like a home. As far as the camera I did notice a couple of round circle spots on one of the pics.

Happy belated birthday E! Of course I did wish you a happy one earlier. Sounds like you had a real special present from lil' Andrew.

Hello to everyone else.

Got our goat shed addition finished for you guys yesterday. It should now sleep 6 comfortably.

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Sonnie Parker

03-20-2003, 12:24 PM

Oh, btw Eduardo, funny joke being the circumstances.

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Andrew Pratt

03-20-2003, 12:40 PM

Andrew, your pics look good.... sure different (in a nice way) from the original pics you posted of your home when you first purchased it. Looking good and like a home. As far as the camera I did notice a couple of round circle spots on one of the pics.

Sonnie those are dust particles in the air...not much I can do about that short of turning off the flash.

Would someone that lives near a CompUSA like to do me a huge favor? I'd like to buy one of these wireless routers (http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=298420&csearch=&cmid=) but the coupon is only valid in the US...only one problem the coupon expires today 8O

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Sonnie Parker

03-20-2003, 01:20 PM

Ah, I understand Andrew.... didn't realize dust could do that.

Seems I remember I had a spot or two like that in one of my pics a long time ago.

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Sonnie Parker

03-20-2003, 01:23 PM

WOW! Those are some serious bombs being dropped in Iraq.

Wonder if any were MOAB's? Looked like mushroom clouds in some of those videos.

I suppose "it's on"!

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Kevin P

03-20-2003, 01:45 PM

Under the right conditions, any explosion can produce a mushroom-looking cloud. It doesn't have to be huge (MOAB or nuke).

I thought I read somewhere that the military only had one MOAB, the one they tested a couple weeks ago. But then if they have more of them it could be classified or something.

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Chris D

03-20-2003, 01:50 PM

Morning, all. I think the large scale attacks just started. My prayers are with all of us.

Eduardo- I'm jealous too. Are you maybe considering the Home Theater Cruise to the Carribean? It's the first week in November. I'm still trying to find a way to afford it.

Jeff! Hey, good to see you around buddy! Well, if you put two coats of paint on the outside, then everything should be groovy. Did you guys get the backyard landscaping done like I asked? Hmmmmmm???? :p:

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Gordon Moore

03-20-2003, 01:53 PM

What the heck is a MOAB?

Gordon Moore

03-20-2003, 02:02 PM

Hey Bing, I don't quite get what I'm seeing in your pc pic on the other page. Is that 2 ATI cards? or an ATI and a capture card?

Why do they BOTH have RAM sinks? You wouldn't be OC'ing the capture card. :?:

I left my glasses at home today so I just may be seeing double ;) ...Yow I'm goanna have a headache at the end of the day...Good thing I stare at a monitor for 8 hours. :roll:

Kevin P

03-20-2003, 02:03 PM

What the heck is a MOAB?
U.S. Tests 'Mother of All Bombs' in Florida on 3/11 (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030311/ts_nm/iraq_usa_bomb_dc_2)

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Gordon Moore

03-20-2003, 02:18 PM

Kevin,

oh :(

that would make a pretty big hole I guess

Sonnie Parker

03-20-2003, 02:30 PM

MOAB - Massive Ordnance Air-Blast Bomb
"Mother Of All Bombs"

The US Air Force has developed the 21,000-lb., or 95-hundred kilogram, satellite-guided Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bombs (MOAB) as a successor to the the 15,000-lb. "Daisy Cutters" used in Vietnam and Afghanistan. The Air Force is said to call MOABs (pronounced MOE-ab) the mother of all bombs. As with the earlier Daisy Cutter, these huge bombs are dropped out of the rear of the C-130 cargo plane.

Unlike the Daisy Cutter, the MOAB is released without the use of a parachute. As a result, the aircraft releasing the bomb can fly at higher altitudes, thus making it safer for US pilots. This replacement for the BLU-82 bomb uses more of the slurry of ammonium nitrate and powdered aluminum used in the BLU-82. Other reports indicate that the MOAB might use tritonal explosive as opposed to the gelled slurry explosive of the BLU-82.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/images/moab-test-030311-12-s.jpg

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/images/moab-comp.gif

Previous news reports state that the MOAB will be used in Iraq.... but you know how some news reports can be.

Recent news reports (as in the last hour) state that the "Shock and Awe" compaign has still yet to commence. The targets now are merely paving the way for the "Shock and Awe" compaign.

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Eduardo

03-20-2003, 02:50 PM

Thanks everyone about the flip. The plan is to go but only time and money will tell.

Kevin - those were funny aucions. Anybody will buy something.

Goerge - seems like its warming up. We're being hit with a lot of rain. Flash Flood Warnings

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Bing Fung

03-20-2003, 03:45 PM

Moabs Rule!!

Gordon, What your seeing is the Zalman HP-80A Heat Pipe cooler. It's a fanless design that replaces the stock fan cooler on a graphics card. It has 2 large heat sinks that are bridged with what is called the "Heat Pipe", creating a larger area for heat transfer and disspersion. The pipe has a wick in it and is filled with a special type of liquid that when heated, turns to vapor and transfers the heat from the main heatsink (attached to the GPU) to the secondary heat sink (on the back side of the card). Once the vapor has traveled and transfered the heat to the secondary heat sink, the vapor is scrubbed of it's heat and retuned back down to the main heatsink as liquid again, only to continue the cycle.

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It works very well, however the addition of a fan blowing on the Heatsinks further facilitate a lower operating GPU.

These Picture may help...

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Andrew Pratt

03-20-2003, 04:16 PM

Bing that's some GPU cooler 8O

Listening to Norah Jones's buttery voice at the moment...I really like her voice..less edgy then say Diana Krall or Holly Cole's

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Kevin P

03-20-2003, 04:42 PM

Listening to Norah Jones's buttery voice at the moment...Have you noticed a hint of distortion in the first track? I wonder how the upcoming SACD will sound.

I'm listening to Styx right now, almost the opposite of Norah 8O

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Andrew Pratt

03-20-2003, 04:54 PM

I have a few quirks on the CDR I burnt for work so I'm not sure if that's in the original or not I'll try to listen more closely tonight when I see if the side cheeks have made any difference in sound on the M8a's

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Burke Strickland

03-20-2003, 05:39 PM

I really like her voice..less edgy then say Diana Krall or Holly Cole's
Actually the "edginess" in Holly Cole's voice is part of its appeal to me. She can sound mellifluous and "buttery" at times, but as part of her expressiveness, her voice can take on qualities of raspiness, mellowness, thinness, fullness, sugary sweetness (not very often) or vinegery sourness to underscore the lyrics... which I find quite appealling. There are very few times in the dozen or so albums of hers that I own that I don't find her voice just about spot on "perfect' for the song and mood.

One example where I don't think it succeeds as intended is the very strange intro to "On The Street Where You Live" (on the album "Blame It On My Youth") which sounds like a drugged out, desperate loser about to crash for the last time -- and then segues to a very uplifting and satisfying, but much more "traditional" reading of the remainder of the song. Of course, there are probably a couple of hundred other examples I could give where she basically takes possession of a song after which listening to the same song by any other aritst just doesn't sound "right" anymore (even if somone elses rendition was a "favorite" before.) An example of that is "Losing My Mind" (on the album "It Happened One Night").

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Paul Wu

03-20-2003, 05:47 PM

Bing: Thanks for comments on my system. I've got a couple more questions:

Is it an easy to add on a case fan? I'm thinking of just buying that Antec one from LD and sticking that in. Do I have to worry about having enough power connections?

Will the Thermal Take Volcano 9 be good enough for some over clocking duties? I don't plan to initially OC, but probably will down the road.

Should I just get a second WD 120G drive now and set it up as a mirrored drive, or have it as a seperate nonbootable, backup data drive?

Oh, how should I plug in the drives? Are we still limited to x number of drives pre IDE channel? I'm thinking
IDE Channel 1: WD 120G, CDRW
IDE Channel 2: WD 120G, DVD/CDRW

Can I mount my old Maxtor 40G and Quantum 6G somewhere in the above setup? Or do I have to unplug one of the drives?

Trev: Bing has pretty much covered most of my concerns. I had thought of the Barton chip, but read the 2400+ is more OCable. I'm actually looking for a 'basic' machine. :)

Eduardo: Man you're a trooper to be on a broken ankel for 2 weeks. 8O

Erik: Happy belated B-day. :party:

Pat

03-20-2003, 07:09 PM

Bing, thanks! your comments really make me glad that I "went for it"...I almost didn't get them.

Kev, I didn't even realize that my posts were at the same time...now when you figure that I am in the central time zone, my posts really are at 6:26am...just before I have to leave for work.
Gotta check out what you guys posted the night before, while I eat breakfast :)
That was a messed up ebay auction :roll:

Eduardo, glad you liked them...I didn't commision them to be built...Thomas was just running out of room and I happened to be in the right place at the right time :)
Nice flip...wish I was going to the Carribean.
Funny joke too.

:later: Aloha to everyone else...time to get some supper

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Trevor Schell

03-20-2003, 07:32 PM

I will be back!
Have to go eat supper now.
I leave something behind to hold my spot for the Flip!

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03-20-2003, 08:21 PM

What flip? I don't get it. We are just on like 14 right?

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efarstad

03-20-2003, 08:38 PM

OOOOhhh ooooh oooooh....

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03-20-2003, 08:39 PM

OOOOhhh ooooh oooooh....

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03-20-2003, 08:39 PM

OOOOhhh ooooh oooooh....

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efarstad

03-20-2003, 08:39 PM

Ok, so it only took me 29 stinkin' pages to get a flip! :roll:

In honor of our brave men and women of the coalition!

http://www.foxnews.com/images/85128/35_1_032003_iraq_top2.jpg

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Kevin P

03-20-2003, 08:39 PM

I don't know if it's that I'm getting old, jaded, or just married too long but those pics just don't phase me that much... :boobies:

Eduardo, you're 6 months in already? Seems like you just got back from your huggymoon. :T

Paul, IDE allows two devices (1 master, 1 slave) on a channel. If you want/need more than 4 IDE devices you'll need to add a PCI IDE card.

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Sonnie Parker

03-20-2003, 08:40 PM

Yeah and this is 15...

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Sonnie Parker

03-20-2003, 08:40 PM

16...

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Sonnie Parker

03-20-2003, 08:41 PM

17...

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Sonnie Parker

03-20-2003, 08:41 PM

That didn't work.... I was way too slow! lol

Oh well.

I know this is long, but if you support our service men and women, it's well worth reading.

This lady tells it like it is.

Last week, the Shelby County Alabama Legislative Delegation hosted a
"Stand Up for America Rally." More than 1,200 people attended including featured speakers Chief Justice Roy Moore, Adjutant General Mark Bowen, and Alabama State Auditor Beth Chapman.

Attached is a copy of Mrs. Chapman's speech, which resulted in five standing ovations, tremendous applause, and an encore. It's a short read and well worth it.

Stand Up for America Rally Speech by: Beth Chapman

I'm here tonight because men and women of the United States military have given their lives for my freedom. I am not here tonight because Sheryl Crowe, Rosie O'Donnell, Martin Sheen, George Clooney, Jane Fonda or Phil Donahue, sacrificed their lives for me.

If my memory serves me correctly, it was not movie stars or musicians, but the United States Military who fought on the shores of Iwo Jima, the jungles of Vietnam, and the beaches of Normandy. Tonight, I say we should support the President of the United States and the U.S. Military and tell the liberal, tree-hugging, Birkenstock-wearing, hippy, tie-dyed liberals to go make their movies and music and whine somewhere else.

After all, if they lived in Iraq, they wouldn't be allowed the freedom of speech they're being given here today. Ironically, they would be put to death at the hands of Sadam Husssein or Osama Bin Laden. I want to know how the very people who are against war because of the loss of life, can possibly be the same people who are for abortion?

They are the same people who are for animal rights but against the Rights of the unborn. The movie stars say they want to go to Iraq and serve as "human shields" for the Iraqis. I say let them buy a one-way ticket and go.

No one likes war. I hate war! But the one thing I hate more is the fact that this country has been forced into war-innocent people have lost their lives - - and there but for the grace of God, it could have been my brother, my husband, or even worse my own son.

On December 7, 1941, there are no records of movie stars treading the blazing waters of Pearl Harbor.

On September 11, 2001; there are no photos of movie stars standing as "human shields" against the debris and falling bodies ascending from the World Trade Center. There were only policemen and firemen - -underpaid civil servants who gave their all with nothing expected in return.

When the USS Cole was bombed, there were no movie stars guarding the ship - - where were the human shields then?

If America's movie stars want to be human shields, let them shield the gang-ridden streets of Los Angeles, or New York City, let them shield the lives of the children of North Birmingham whose mothers lay them down to sleep on the floor each night to shelter them from stray bullets.

If they want to be human shields, I say let them shield the men and women of honesty and integrity that epitomizes courage and embody the spirit of freedom by wearing the proud uniforms of the United States Military.

Those are the people who have earned and deserve shielding!

Throughout the course of history, this country has remained free, not because of movie stars and liberal activists, but because of brave men And women who hated war too. However, they lay down their lives so that we all may live in freedom. After all - "What greater love hath no man, that he lay down his life for his friend," or in this case a country.

We should give our military honor and acknowledgement and not let their lives be in vain. If you want to see true human shields, walk through Arlington Cemetery. There lie human shields, heroes, and the BRAVE Americans who didn't get on television and talk about being a human shield – they were human shields.

I thank God tonight for freedom - - those who bought and paid for it with their lives in the past - - those who will protect it in the present and defend it in the future.

America has remained silent too long! God-fearing people have remained silent too long!

We must lift our voices united in a humble prayer to God for guidance and the strength and courage to sustain us throughout whatever the future may hold.

After the tragic events of Sept. 11th, my then eleven -year-old son said terrorism is a war against them and us and if you're not one of us, then you're one of them.

So in closing tonight, let us be of one accord, let us stand proud, and let us be the human shields of prayer, encouragement and support for the President, our troops and their families and our country.

May God bless America, the land of the free, the home of the brave, and the greatest country on the face of this earth.

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03-20-2003, 08:52 PM

Sonnie...thank you for sharing that! :amen: :yesnod: :amen:

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03-20-2003, 08:52 PM

Andrew, it is a monster of a cooler to be sure :D

Bing:

Is it an easy to add on a case fan? I'm thinking of just buying that Antec one from LD and sticking that in. Do I have to worry about having enough power connections?

Hey Paul, Yep real easy... The Antec case has these purple snap in cages that the fans snap into, the cages then snap into the case. Most fans will have a pass through connector that basically allows you to tap power from any power supply connector.

http://www.burnoutpc.com/images/reviews/xoxtriledfans/MVC-156F.JPG

The Antec Fan have the 4 pin Pass through connector in addition to a 3pin connector that can be plugged in to a fan header on the motherboard. This 3 pin allows you to monitor RPM of the fan. The 1080 case comes with the Antec 430W power supply so you'll have plenty of connectors and power reserve. Nice case BTW.

Will the Thermal Take Volcano 9 be good enough for some over clocking duties? I don't plan to initially OC, but probably will down the road.

From what I have read on it, Yes it is good enough for serious over clocking, however it may require the fan to run at a higher RPM to keep the CPU at a lower temp than say an Alpha 8045 or a Thermal Right SLK800. If it were me, I would get the Alpha or SLK, but that's just me.... :crazy: Another consideration is I don't think the Volcano 9's fan takes power directly from the mother boards header. This isn't really an issue, however for the smart throttling on the fan to work I believe you have to attach the temperature probe on the fan to the CPU's back side and use the built in smart system of the Volcano 9. If you had a CPU fan that just used the small 3 pin connector that connects to the mother board's CPU header, then the Asus Q-fan would take over throttling of the fan. It runs the fan at the required RPM dependant on monitored CPU temperatures. I'm a big fan of Q-FAN and I couldn't imagine having a Air cooled system with out some form of this smart monitoring. In my system, Q-Fan keeps my CPU fan at around 2300 RPM. It is very quiet here and mostly all I hear are my 4 Harddrives and the power supply fans. When I load up the CPU with video encoding or gaming, the Q-fan then runs the CPU fan up to whatever is required. Most times it runs it up to the fans max RPM of 3300, which is still relativley quiet, however it is more noticable than when the fan is at it's lowest setting. Q-Fan keeps the fan at it's lowest setting 95% of the time.

My current CPU temps are 47C idle and 52C max load, remember than my CPU is overclocked by 200 Mhz so it's going to run hotter. The Max temp that AMD recommends is 90C and I'm well below that with a 80mm, 3200 RPM (max) 2300 RPM (nominal) fan that is stealthly quiet.

Here is a look at my Alpha 8045 in case.... It's designed to suck air through the sink, rather than blow it down onto the HS.

http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/fung1/80a.jpg

It's not that sexy looking, but it flat out works... I actually like it's understated looks.. You can see the 3 pin connector that plugs into the mother board.

http://www.waithai.com/tests/alpha8045a.jpg http://www.waithai.com/tests/alpha8045b.jpg

http://www.waithai.com/tests/alpha.jpg

Here is a good review on the Volcano 9 and Cool Mod fan (http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/v9coolmod/index.htmll)

Here is a nice comparitive list of popular coolers (http://www.dansdata.com/coolercomp.htm)

Should I just get a second WD 120G drive now and set it up as a mirrored drive, or have it as a seperate nonbootable, backup data drive?

The A7N8X does not mirror the drives in the PATA IDE channels, and will only do it with the SATA channels (Serial ATA). You probably could run some software that would do this for you, however unless you have a lot of data that you just can't afford to lose, I personally think it's a waste of space to mirror the entire drive. I just back up what is important to me.. So if you were to buy another WD 120 drive, I would just set it up as a slave drive on IDE CH1 and use it as a back-up /storage drive with a few partitions.

If you do need mirroring, the A7N8X supports it when using the SATA channels. You could use these PATA/SATA adapters that adapts PATA (parallel ATA) drives like the WD 120 JB to be used with the SATA channels, however I have been reading on various forums that people are experiencing corrupt data transfers/files when using these adapters while transfering large amounts of data. It's inconclusive at this point if the adapters are to blame or if it's immature drivers for the SATA controller. So I would tend to stay away from these for now.

You could opt for the Seagate Barracuda 80 GB SATA drives available on NCIX right now, however they cost more and in actual benchmarks the WD JB PATA drives smokes it's butt.... Maxtor has a SATA from their Diamond Max 9 line that shows some promise as a SATA drive, from what I have read it's actually a PATA drive that has been converted to a SATA drive, and it is the fastest of the SATA line so far. NCIX does not list them, however MLH Systems in Winnipeg (http://www.mlhsystems.com/momex/NavCode/Hardware/ID/HardDrive) is showing them in their line up.

Here is Toms take (http://www.tomshardware.com/storage/20030314/index.html) on the Diamondmax 9 SATA drive.

The SATA drive to wait for is the 10,000 RPM WD Raptor that is coming some time.. It approches SCSI drive performance however it's inital offering is only 36Gb in size and it may be loud(er?)...

I don't know if you've had a chance to look at the SATA cables but the are sexy as hell and a lot sleeker than the old ribbon standard. I want SATA drives just so I can use these cables :) The A7N8X comes with sexy red ones :leghumper:

http://www.ocaddiction.com/reviews/hd/seagate_sata120/Picture026.jpg
Compare that to a bigassed ribbon cord..

Oh, how should I plug in the drives? Are we still limited to x number of drives pre IDE channel? I'm thinking
IDE Channel 1: WD 120G, CDRW
IDE Channel 2: WD 120G, DVD/CDRW

Unfortunately we are... Each PATA IDE channel will accept only 2 drives. Each SATA Channel will accept 1 drive only. Given your example above, I would place both WD120G's on IDE Ch1 and then leave the DVD/CDRW on it's own channel. Apperently the channel slows down to the slower ATA rating of the devices connected to the channel. Since most CD drives only support UDMA mode 2 at most, you would be slowing your one harddrive down to ATA 33 specifications, when the hard drive is capable of ATA 100.

Can I mount my old Maxtor 40G and Quantum 6G somewhere in the above setup? Or do I have to unplug one of the drives?

You have the one open port in IDE channel 2 so I would plug 1 of your extra drives into there with the drive jumpered as slave and the DVD/CDRW jumpered as master. You could just leave the drive connected, but you cannot connect both drives and have the DVD/CDRW connected. You could just swap out those 2 older drives, transfering the data off on to the WD 120G's until the drives are clear. Just be sure to turn your PC off each time you connect or disconnect a hard drive. And as you power up the PC, press Delete Key to bring up the BIOS menu. From there all you have to do is go into the IDE devices menu and reselect Auto detect (it will be set to there already) by doing this you just initilize the drive as a recognized drive in your system and once Windows starts, the drive is there, no fuss no muss. if you don't chances are Windows will detect the drive once it starts and then after it set's it up, it will prompt you to reboot. It's just simpler to set it up in the BIOS to begin with.

Hope that helped more than it hindered..... :throwup:

That is going to be one nice PC!

Pat, I'm sure my comments aren't required for affirmation, but your welcome.. I bet one listen to those and a person knows they were well worth it :T

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