After reading that M&K would be the first to enter the "THX Select" speaker race with a speaker that would MSRP at $299.00, I couldn't wait to hear what it would sound like. I beat feet to my local M&K dealer to audition the new system.

Being told for some time that "THX" speakers don't do music well, I was prepared to not be excited. I took some of my favorite cd's with me. Oh my goodness!!! Could this be true...were these speakers producing great sounding music? Yes! But, this could have been just the room and associated equipment. With that in mind I next listened to the car chase scene in "Ronin". Hmmmmm, that sounded pretty darn good too. Much better that my current speaker set up.

Needles to say, I ended up bringing home the THX Select LCR 750 speakers. What I heard in the store was not unique. In my home, the 750's continued to show that they are a surprisingly good sounding speaker.

I also listened to all the M&K speakers (as well as other brands) while at the store. This was before the K series and Xenon were around. I was impressed with ever speaker this company offered. Most of the speakers from other companies ranged from good to great sounding. However, I really don't think there was a more "accurate" sounding speaker (from any other brand) in the entire store. And that's what I was looking for.

Now, I'll admit, there are a ton of other speakers that look much nicer. And there are just as many that sound great and look nice that I would love to own (Martin Logans, Maggies, SF to name a few). However, I wanted to own a nice " THX" rcvr/speaker combo that does a nice job of reproducing movies and music. These speakers filled that bill nicely!




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8)

M&K ..Oh yes !!!

=))))
should be receiving my MPS-2525 shortly...
*drool*
It's Upgrade season again!!!

Hello jariten! And welcome to HT Guide!

I share your enthusiasm about these great speakers. Please let us know how things come together once you get them (inquiring minds want to know! :LOL: ).

I would love to get this thread to become a place where we can discuss this wonderful company.

If you know of any others that would like a great place to hang out and talk about their M&K's, please let them know what we are trying to do here.

Have a great day!




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Hi John !

well it all started during a small show in Akihabara where some copmanies were demoing their DVD players and other Audio Equipment

Then I started to browse the web...
wandered along in a lot of HT forums...
and When Lex and Matt had this one going...I was in too...
=) (June 2000 !)

Anyway,
Getting back to M&K.
Why did I chose M&K and not something else...

One of the rooms was setup with the S150 THX series and MX5000THXMKII Sub...

other rooms used Yamaha (with their flagship receiver) and a SW-1000 as a sub (don't remember the model of Yamaha speakers they were using..but they had a 7.1 kind of Setup...

Denon had set up a DVD-5000, the 5600 receiver and the M&K speaker setup....

of course the DENON room was packed....
and the Yamaha ..well I was able to squeeze in with my wife...
(Important !! all upgrades need wife approval)

Anyway....so we go through the demo (all rooms were demoing the same material) and we were ..yeah well..ok...not bad....
(at the time I was using a 5.1 setup with a Pioneer AVS-D3X first Dolby Digital receiver and a SW-500 sub still have that and 5 speakers that were home made (sold those)).

So after the firts demo...ok ..fun...the speakers were floorstanding models...and would end up taking a lot of room in our Japanese apartment..(yeah ..we live in Tokyo)...
so it was a bit of a nono for us...

Ok time for the Denon demo...

as I said ..same material than the Yamaha demo...
now when it started.....the subwoofer kicked 1/2 of the audience out...
it was tight....and just majestuous....
The room was a square room about 25' x 25' with a ceiling that was about 8'.
now the difference was amazing....
These "tiny" S-150 speakers and that Sub....were just amazing....
The DVD player was simple...and Amazing too...
(DVD-5000)

So that day I had my boss call up Nippon Columbia so that we could go and have a private Demo in their listening room.
And they set me up with the S-150 and MX5000 THX MKII sub...
Projection was a Barco 1209 receiver was the top of the line (120-150W/channel)

I brought my movies....and of course....I didn't want to leave....O_O

SInce then....I have slowly been upgrading.....I have all 3 front M&K 150 and will soon be getting the MPS-2525 surround tripoles (same as S-250 tripoles but 300$ cheaper because no THX logo in front)
And the next one will be the MPS-5410 (same as the MX5000THX MKII but withouth the THX logo) they have the M&K professional logo on them.

This is my current setup :

LCR : M&K S150THX
Surr : B&W DS6 (needs replacing)
Sub : Yamaha SW-500 (needs replacing)
Pre/pro : Parasound AVC 2500 (planning to replace it with the HALO C1 very soon)
Amp : Parasound HCA-2205A
RPTV Pionner 50" 16:9 won't upgrade until I move out
DVD player : Denon DVD-5000

interconnects and AC cord....all hand buiilt by me...after testing many different cable suppliers and connectors....
o_O

I calibrated the system using the Microphone and the settings that were given to me by one of the designers of the AVC-2500.

It's truly amazing what we can obtain with these M&K speakers...


Enjoy.

T.

Great story jariten!

It almost mimics the situtaution under which I auditioned mine as well. It's kind of nice when you audition speakers with a few others and they can support what you are hearing.

You mentioned the floor space of your apartment. And how tower type speakers would not be a good fit. With this understanding, can I assume that you chose not to use stands with your speakers? I ask because, reading M&K's site and speaking with one of their engineers one thing has always confused me.

Becuase of the THX designed limited vertical wave. Placing the speakers at the proper height is even more important. I was wondering how you dealt with this? Also, (this is where it get's contradictive) M&K sells a laser pointer to align your speaker to prefection. Which is what I understand should be done for proper HT reproduction. However, if THX speakers are designed with a wide side-to-side dispersion pattern, should they be aimed directly at the listening position? The engineer that I spoke with from M&K even mentioned that minimum toe-in (no more than 4 degrees) would be his recomendation. But if direct aiming at the listening postion is the "best" for HT, what effect does this have for those (like me) that systems double as their music system too?

I was just wondering if you have dealt with any of these issues.

I like your idea on the surrounds. My surrounds are THX (Fosgate Audionics). Though I am quite happy with how well they blend with my LCR's, my surrounds are huge! At approx. 22"x14"x10" (H/W/D) and around 38 pounds they tend to get noticed. ;) So I too have begun considering updating to tripole speakers. I'm not sure when I will make the move but, I'm hoping to get a nice christmas present! :B




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:LOL:

I do currently have stands for the fronts and surrounds....

I didn't know about the 4deg toe in for the front speakers..
I know that the L/R sS150 speakers have a slightly angled baffle...
IF you add a bit more angle...I'm not sure the effect will be good..especially if you are going to listen to music also...

I noticed that laser pointer thingy....I'm going to discuss with SONA here in Japan . They distribute the M&K pro products here. Maybe they can show me how to align everything once my surrounds arrive. I would be curious..to see ow they do it...

Hmm what else...

since I'll be going with 7.1 soon....I'm wondering what 2 Channel amp to get....Parasound is kind of RARE here.....so...maybe a Proceed HPA-2 for the surrounds...I'll go and see what I can find....^^

I'll probably order the Halo C-1 next week or something...
Also I was kind oif designing in my head some sool HT setup...
as soon as I put it on paper I'll scan it in a share ^_^;;;

I have some crazy ideas...especially for us in Japan...because with 3 cats it's not always easy !

Have a good week-end

T.

T.,

I am enjoying my weekend, thank you! I trust that you are doing the same. 8)

This is a copy of the e-mail that I received from M&K regarding toe-in and placement:



John,

You yourself can "hear" the tweeter dispersion by selecting white noise (like
interchannel FM noise) turn the treble up some what and turn the bass down all
the way, turn off the subwoofer and only connect ONE speaker at a time. The
resulting audio splay should be as clear as aiming a theatrical lighting unit.

What's critical is the VERTICAL angle. The 750 series, and any speaker with only
one tweeter is not NEARLY as critical as the multi-tweeter models where the high
freq signals are coming off as a flat planar wavefront if you will, so the
distances from EACH tweeter in the entire array to your nose (for example) have
to be exactly the same for good imaging.

Also, and this whole thing is a bit moot, the thx spec suggests that the signal
NOT bounce off the ceiling, although the whole premise of the SURROUNDS is that
they DO bounce around so there is LESS localization with the surrounds and MORE
localization with the fronts.

A further problem is every mfgs digital pick-off of bass is somewhat different
depending upon which digital processor the thx stuff is implemented in. Some are
WAY sloppier and mushier than others. The older Lexicon being the worst
offender, not only with their D/A circuitry but that completely annoying front
speaker angle phase thing which CANNOT be turned off and NEVER sounds right.
With other mfgs systems, it is the "speaker distance" setting which is the
culprit. I'd suggest trying the LEAST distance possible first -- and setting
them all the same -- and then "learn" how that sounds, and work outward from
there.

A further item is that Americans have typically placed their LR way too close
together, probably because the TV was so small. American RECORDING/MIX engineers
tyupically put the speakers WAY too far apart - like 90 degrees, so they can get
definitive panning placement during a mix. Then there's the further problem that
MOVIES are mixed with C for voice and LR for Music and Effects - there's never
voice in LR except for reverb. In MUSIC the voice is ONLY LR and almost no one
uses the C because there never has been a Center channel before; it's always
been a phantom center. So you see we have an infinity of cross-related dilemmas.

Here attached is an ITU chart which might help you. I personally suggest placing
the LR a LITTLE bit further apart, like 70 - 75 degrees; this then makes the
degree splay between L and Ls closer, like 70 degrees apart, which are what the
LR is now. That gives you a very even surround coverage, especially when using
M&K Tripoles, which are the best of both worlds, without being the worst of
either world.

As far as the toe-in goes, that's partially visually psychological. I would only
suggest toeing them in a TINY bit, like 4 degrees, because the metal grille does
the rest. However you can hear this as explained above, and experiment
accordingly.

Another trick: set your LR about 1 db LOW and set the C at 1/2 or 1 db HIGH
after you do an SPL test with your Radio Shlock meter (set to C weighted SLOW).

Let me know how you make out with your science projects.


Regards,
Barry

Barry A. Ober
Internet Services Systems Administrator
Senior Audio Engineer
Miller & Kreisel Sound Corp.

www.mksound.com
www.mkprofessional.com
www.mkcdstore.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "JOHN HOLMES"
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 5:59 PM



Hello,

I'm curious as to, how the L/R of the 750 THX system are designed to be
position?


My main usage is for Home Theater. I want to follow THX/Dolby guidelines of
speaker placement. This giudline seems to favor toe-in for the left and
right speaker. But, this seems to contradict the purpose of having a THX
spec of wide horizontal dispersion. Also, with the angle of the tweeter in
the 750 line, it to seems to favor 'No toe-in" by design.

I understand that the final result of placement is room dependant. I would
just like to know, what is the "prefered" choice from it's designed R&D?
That would be my choice in my setup.

Thanks for your time,

John



John T. Holmes
jt357smoot@hotmail.com


End of e-mail

As you can see, he addresses the issues of having single tweeter speakers. as well as the multi-tweeter systems such as yours.

Going with Barry's info, the results left my speakers 19" from the side walls. With 4ft between the left speaker and center channel. And of course the center and right speaker. I used little toe-in. And the soundstage was very immersing! I really felt a wave of info hitting me from everywhere. There was no "hole" in the sound between the side and center speakers.

But, what I did notice after a few viewings of movies...My highs weren't as clear as when they only had 6ft seperating them. Also having a 32" display began to rear it's head. As the action on screen was not being accurately reproduced with this wider speaker placement. Now knowing that the speakers are to close to the side walls, I chose to try a different approach.

This site http://www.cardas.com has some great info about speaker placement with various rooms. I employed the "rectangal room" theory and have been satisfied with the results. It put my L/R speakers much closer together, which gives me back all the detail but, it isn't nearly as involving as before. I will continue to play with my options.

This ended up being much longer than I wanted so I'll beging to close. :LOL:

I am interested in what SONA has to say as well.

I've heard nothing but good things about the Halo line. But, the Proceed is a proven performer. Especially with low impedence speakers. I believe either to be solid choices.

Ok, I'm backing away from the keyboard! :B

Have a good weekend!




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:D

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I'm waiting for Mr Nakahara from SONA to get back to me...
I want to go and see their 12.2 surround setup...

I will have to look at the 750 series from M&K a bit more closer...
as the S150 LCR that I have have a d'Apolitto array and the L&R are a matched pair.
so when I put on some demo material...
the front part is seamless...
The sound pans from left to right and right to left without loss...it's pretty amazing....
the DS-6 surrounds....even though designed for Dolby surround (pre DD and DTS speakers) do quite a good job...

though I can hear the difference of tonality between the front and rear..
(using the THX Demo Laserdisc WOW!)
(please bear with me for the typos....)
I'm surrounded by cats right now...so...

ok...going to read the HALO C-1 manual now...
(printed the one from the parasound site....)

and I was talking with Lex about proceed amps...I might pick a couple for the surrounds we shall see what I can find on saturday...

until next time...

Have fun!

:yeah:

Today I received my MPS-2525 !!!! (same as SS250MKII)

Now if the Halo C-1 would just get here ...

o_O

:T ;h ;b>'> :dance:

This is great news. I know you are excited. Your setup is really begining to gel. The Halo will be a great addition.

Let us know when you crank it all up!




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Well..
The C-1 should be here on the 8/9th of July
Got to get some cables from Lex too.

and I have to go to Korea for work !!
w00t !!

anyway...I have to set a webpage up and show the setup....
^_^

It seems that M&K has a new speaker which contains all 5 surround channels in one box. Now this is something I would love to hear. Anyway, here is the link: http://www.mksound.com/whatsnew.html




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:LOL:


weird...
it's upgrade season again!

Time for the good ole' MX 5000THX sub...
currently shopping around...

=)

Yes ..M&K have some interesting products out there


=)

ordered the sub...
w00t


^_^V
it'll be in storage for a while...until I get myself to NY
*grin*

Hello Jariten.

I hear nothing but solid reviews for the 5000. I'm sure it will fill your needs! :D Let us know when you get to play with it.




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unfortunately.not until we move intpo the new house......
Late July maybe?
we shall see ^_^;;;
It's going to be in storage at a friends place until then...
oh well...

I've put other things on the grill...

just bought an Accuphase P500L power amp so that my wife can have her own 2 channel listening system...
(planning to have the HT in a basement of course...
^_^;;;

output is about 315W/channel in 8Ohm....
weighs in at 71lbs
and it's bigger than the HCA-2205 !

o_O

unfortunately.not until we move intpo the new house......

I'm in the same boat. I have a new 52" RCA HDTV sitting in the box(with my wife in Texas). I can't open it until I make the move to San Antonio in about two months.

But, at least you have a another new toy to play with! 8) The M&K will be jealous! :P

Yep...
I'm actually using the Accuphase P500-L with my L/R M&K speakers...

it's just amazing....

The CD player is directly connected to the Amp.
it has a variable output level control...so I don't need a pre-amp ...

back to listening...

^_^V

2 months go by quickly ^_^;;;;

I have the M&K S-150P's all the way around and the MX-5000. I'm using the C1 as the Pre-amp as well.

I have NEVER had a problem with the MX-5000. I love it's output. The crossover point between in the 150's and the 5000 is seamless and the sub is difficult to locate in the room with your eyes closed.

Since the M&K system is the first surround sound I've ever owned, the only thing I really have to compare it to is the theater. Although, I'll admit that the M&K setup sounds kick-@$$, I don't know that I'm getting my money's worth. Having said that, I installed EVERYTHING myself. I have used the C1 auto-calibration and tweeked the bass and treble to my liking. I used the C1 settings to turn up just the sub output since I was getting virtually no sub output with it after a standard C1 autocal.

I'm not sure if it's my lack of knowledge and experience, but I just can't hear or understand "emersive (or full) sound stages" I don't even know what to listen for. It sounds great to me, but I somehow have the feeling that it could be better.

I know that speaker placement is probably not my problem. I have followed all of the "rules" outlined above by Barry. I used the exact XLR connections and cable suggested by Barry. I have read all of the documentation in the 150 manual, the 5000 manual and the C1 manual.

Maybe I'm just overly demanding?! But I just feel that I could get more out of the equipment that I own.

Please don't get me wrong, this is a killer system. I'm just wondering if it could be better. Especially with the amount of money spent on the system. :wink:

Welcome to the Guide ChetK.

I'm glad to see a fellow M&K enthusiast!

Barry seems to know his stuff. I know that I'm really happy with the results in my system.

As for you wondering if you are getting the sound that you should...I think most of us are always wondering this same thing more often than we care too. I read an interview with one of the leads at THX (can't recall his name). One of the points he made was (paraphrasing) " THX doesn't care if you think it should be louder or softer, blah. blah,blah...as long as it is accurate." I have no clue if what you are hearing in your system is accurate or not. However, I would guess that it maybe closer to being right than wrong. As you have stated you have speaker placement knocked out correctly. Unless you have an hardware issue, calibration should be correct. Being that it is your system, if you feel something is still not to your liking, you may want to bump up or down what you feel is lacking.

If I may ask, How long have you had this system? It maybe as simple as getting use to it's sound.

Lastly, you mentioned that you followed Barry's outline above. I recall him making a big point of making sure that speakers with multiple tweeter arrays, need to be aimed at the sweet spot. I don't know if yours are but, if not, you may wish to try this.

Welcome to the Guide ChetK. Thanks!

As for you wondering if you are getting the sound that you should...I think most of us are always wondering this same thing more often than we care too. This is like a support group. :D I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one.

(paraphrasing) " THX doesn't care if you think it should be louder or softer, blah. blah,blah...as long as it is accurate." I have no clue if what you are hearing in your system is accurate or not. I feel as though I am hearing accurate information. In fact, I bought the system for accuracy and not POWER. Although the system is a pretty powerful system. Barry told me that the content creators, directors, DVD Post production studios, have said that they listened to their content on M&K after mastering their final product, and they heard things that they didn't even hear when they mastered the content. Now THAT'S crazy. :T

I would guess that it maybe closer to being right than wrong. I would too. But I still think it could be better. I have read reviews of these speakers where people said that it was like a religous experience. I mean, I like the way they sound, but it doesn't make me want to cry or anything. I was also told that it would sound like the actor is in the room with me. I can tell it's coming out of a speaker. I also thought that I would hear things and look over in that direction to see what it was (even though it was coming out of the speaker). I may have done that once or twice in the 4 months that I've owned them. I don't know...I just feel like they could be "more accurate". How's that for an oxy-moron?

I recall him making a big point of making sure that speakers with multiple tweeter arrays, need to be aimed at the sweet spot. I don't know if yours are but, if not, you may wish to try this. Yes. I bought the wall tilt brackets with the speakers. The 150P's have a red LED light in the center of the speaker. The light is the brightest when the speaker is pointing directly at the listening position. I have all five speakers pointing at the sweet spot. I can definitely tell a difference between sitting in the sweet spot and moving to another location in the room. I guess that means I have the speakers set up correctly.

I think the speakers are set up properly, I'm just wondering if I'm getting the most out of the speakers with the settings that I have on the C1. When I installed my car audio, I bought some of the best competition equipment. I tweeked it to the best of my knowledge. Then, I went up to my local dealer (I used to work there as well so I know them on a personal level), but they used their years of experience to tweek it and it sounded 10 times better than it did when I did it. I was amazed at how good it sounded. So, maybe I just need to get an authorized dealer to come over and tweek my HT setup. I don't have a problem paying for something like that if I can hear a difference.

Maybe I can get Barry over if he should ever pass through Houston. :B

Hi ChetK

I know exactly what kind of sound you are looking for.
It seems that you have set your system up perfectly...
Speakers pointing to the sweet spot et all...but still not gettting that WOW sound..humm

I have S150 LCR and MPS2525 Surrounds (will be getting SS-150MKII for rears soon) and the MX500THX sub is already in storage...^^;;

Anyway..back to the sound issue..
I have a C1 with a HCA2205A. I was able to do A/B testing at Nihon Columbia (Denon) prior to my purchase...and their setup was just awesome...
it took time between tests...but I would always go back to the M&K speakers.

Now...Could the Interconnects between your C! -> speakers be affecting the sound?

I assume you did the Autocal and calibrated the distances and gain for all channels...

Sound treatment in your HT room?

just going on wild guesses here....


what's missing exactly? Imaging? soudstage depth?

I know it' snot easy to explain like that on a forum..^^;;;

just trying to get to the bottom ...

Happy listening

Hey Jariten,

Thanks for brainstorming with me. :T

It may be the room they're in (I know the room has a LOT to do with the sound too). I don't have any sound treatment at all. It's our living room and can't really change it cosmetically.

The interconnects are DIY for the most part. I'm pretty confident it's not them.

what's missing exactly? Imaging? soudstage depth?

OK. That's the crazy thing. Since I'm kinda new at this surround sound stuff (meaning I don't have the experience that a pro does), I don't know how to identify imaging or soundstage depth. I know the sound is very "seamless" between all of the speakers. They're very clear and nothing gets distorted. Ever.

One last thing I want to mention: I just finished watching The Matrix Reloaded on HBO in HD tonight and I was really blown away by the sound. The WOW factor was there. The car chase scene and the burly brawl scene were magnificent. The sub kicked in when it should, etc.

I guess I just need that "peace of mind" that everything is performing at it's maximum quality. I'd also like to learn the difference between bad imaging v. good imaging and soundstage depth, etc. If I could just be a little more educated I think I'd do alright.

I have tried using the Digital Video Essentials disc, but any time it gets REAL technical, it loses me. My level of knowledge when using these types of discs are basically this: When the speaker on the screen is highlighted, white noise should be coming out of that speaker. :B It's quite sad really. :cry:

ChetK...
we are all here to learn ^_^V

Concerning the room...
I currently live in Japan (not for long anymore)...and my system has been in a
8 x 10' room....Yes...that was the living room....
what Ihad in there when I calibrated was : the 5 speakers..the sub..the AV rack under the projection screen, the projector..and the cat tree...

the room has an overall strange shape as the tatami room kind of breaks into ...
Anyway..the calibration went just great....
(was using a Yamaha sub at the time..somthing fell in the kitchen)....*grin*

Next step...listening to the setup calibrated and all...

I used the Super Speedway DVD (THX) the sound was just amazing...we were sitting in the car with the driver....
The sub did what it could ^^;;;;
but we were present there on the racetrack with the drivers and cars...yeah...
It was just amazing..clean ...
The pan and surround where just ...*WoW*

Now we went to the movie viewing....

Das Boot....(special edition et all)

Several times I had to get up and check if I had water dripping at home....
it was actually the water dripping in the submarine. O_O


BTW ...NOT a pro in surround stuff...
I was basically buying the M&K just by reputation until I knew who was importing them to Japan...and I listened to them the evening on which I had ordered my system...
..

Humm again..this is total amateur...But for Soundstage...Get a Good Jazz CD
and listen try to imagine where the instruments are in your room
I have been blow away by the S150s.

I used Norah Jones 1st album, any tracks.
and my new toy Accuphase P500L amp...CD player directly hooked to the Amp (I have variable output on it) ....and I sat there and thought....these are darn good...

You can kind of position each instrument in the room you can amsot reach out to them....
now coming back to your problem.,...
(Not sure there is a problem in your system ^^)

Maybe go to a store and try to demo a setup using a DVD you know well...
try to pinpoint the differences...

humm ...

not sure what else to look at...

*mumble*

just read your first post....Using XLR's from C1 -> S150Ps.....so THAT makes sense that the connections between C1-> Speakers is out of the line of problems....

Sooo...

You seem to have placed and direct the speakers correctly...but still can't get this enveloppe of sound arround you...

could you write down the settings of your speakers (Distance/level in the cal menu of the C1) ?
I'm just wondering if.......
ok this is what I talked about with the designers of the AVC2500 Pre/pro from Parasound...
I was lacking soundstage depth etc etc....it souded really harsh...
aftre discussing with the Finnish company that designed the decoder board in the Parasound AVC2500 they told me to try the following setup.
Put all levels on the HCA2205A to 12o'clock (not in the THX position) and recalibrate...
Did I get better results....YEAH
way better
Now the Design of the C1 is different..different DSP processor and all...and DAC's.....but still...I wonder if calibrating the C1 and setting your speaker's Input level to 1/2 instead of THX level wouldn't help?

If you have a bit of time...try it out...just wondering.
I have in fact calibrated my C1 while the HCA is only at 12o'clock on input sensitivity....

just a though...


^_^;;;

Happy listening

Well Chetk, Jariten has covered all my other thoughts on the subject. I'm glad that you are at least happy with your M&K's. I too think that it maybe your auto cal that you are unsatisfied with.

Let us know how it turns out.

Hi John !

ChetK is probably trying stuff..and might have found the ideal settings ^_^;;;;


so he doesn't have time to post here ^^;;;

He's now "Surrounded!"

heheheh

:T

Hahahaha,

Good point Jariten!

No no. I'm still here. Sorry guys. I just haven't had a chance to try all of the above suggestions. I plan to though and I do appreciate the feedback.

ChetK, we were only pulling your speaker cables ^^;;;;

just do it when you have time

*grin*

Happy Listening

PS. Do use the analog inputs when using the C1 to listen to Audio
I was quite...hmmm amazed of the lack of detail when using optical/COax digital from my CD player to the C1

something was missing

now I have it on Analog and it's waaaaay up there ^^;;

ok go on now ^_^

:T

NP Chetk. We know life is busy. We just need our fix too! :lol: :rofl:

John !

:T

Im still pondring on the rear speakers to get...

I'm thinking SS-150 should be fine for rear surrounds...
then again...I could buy a set of 3 S-150THX for 700$
and could use them as rear surrounds...but then...no dipole/tripole function...


any thoughts?

Hey Jariten!

Oooohhhh, that's a damn good price on the S-150's!!! It would be very, very hard for me to pass on a deal like that. Though, I do understand the desire of those that want identical speakers all around. I'm not one that feels having your surrounds being identical is crucial to good sound. Maybe for optimal muti-channel music, but not a necessity.

Though I am satified with my Fosgates doing rear duty. I would love (when I have the funds) to make a move to the SS-150's. Just to have M&K's complete my package. Plus, I think the SS-150's are so much easier to place and mount. Which is something that I cannot say for my 38lb Fosgates.

When you move, will your HT have an area dedicated or will it share a common area?

Hi John !

yes that price is very tempting....
*mumble*
it's a matched pair of L/R and a Center channel....

Yes it will be a dedicated room...
and yes...it sounds like the SS-150 would be easier to install with the M&K stand (the ones that go from the floor and are against the wall)
Don't remember the name offhand...

Hmmmmm

Maybe I should propose them in the FS area....I could have them shipped with my stuff for free....Hmmmm


I'll probably stick with the SS-150.....^^;;
:T

Are you speaking of the stands that attach at the baseboard? Those are the ST1 and ST2 I believe. They are pretty cool. And make alot of sense. A smart design imo!

I don't see how you would be unhappy the SS. I think they are the best of both worlds.

Hi John

I was thinking of the Base Station http://www.mksound.com/stands_brackets2.html

they are shown with a pair of SS-150 (Yes!) but I'm not sure that they would support the 29lb MPS2525 for the side surrounds....
the ST-Wall brackets might be better for those...

and for the LCR I'm thinking of the ST-1 with the 24" leg and the Tilt bracket

that should be nice ^_^


Happy Viewing!

Yup Jariten,

Those are the ones that I thought you were referring to. The ST moniker was just above it and I was a tad on the tired side when I glanced it. :)

As I said above, I really like the theory of design. The idea of using no floor space can be a big advantage in smaller room. Not to mention, they give a very clean look to the installation.

Does your Halo support THX processing (sorry I'm not up to speed on the unit)? Will you be using a 7.1 configuration?

Hi John!
the Halo is actually the Parasound C1 controler...the one with the TFT in front

it will do 7.1 and more ...(extra programmable outputs ^_^)

I already have 7 channels of amplification ^_^V
And the Sub is waiting in NY ....

I just need da room!

O_O

:T

So you will be getting two pair of SS-150's then?

Hi John

just one pair for the back
keep the MPS2525 for the sides...

I'll use wall brackets for the side....

^_^


Still packing here...

^^;;;

Wow, packing is always a drag to me. Way too many little items! :) But, the end result makes it all worth it.

I'm just curious, why did you decide to use the MPS2525 as sides? I thought in a 7.1 setup di/bi-poles (in this case tri-poles :T ) for the sides and direct radiators for the back? Atleast I know, this is what THX suggest (if that means anything to you).

the MPS2525 can be configured in many ways like the SS-150

it has the same drivers as th S-150THX + 2 drivers on each side of the enclosure


why did I go with those?

COs I had agood deal on them and was still in 5.1 at the time...
now I'm getting reading for 7.1 and I want to get the SS-150THX for the back...


^^;;

T.

Ah.....I understand now. Thanks for the education. I did not know that the MPS2525 was configurable as such. It all adds up now.

:T


am off to "Electric City" !

Woohooo!


(Akihabara in Tokyo)

Hi Guys,

Just thought I'd let you know that my front left speaker went out on me again. I know it's getting power because I see the two red lights light up on the S-150P. It's just not playing audio. I have checked the output on the Halo C1 (by plugging in a different speaker to that output) and I am getting a signal. I have e-mailed M&K to get it fixed. This'll be the second time within a 4 month time frame that I need to get it fixed. :cry: I'm sure they'll take care of it, but it just always seems to happen around major events (Lakers losing the series to Detriot). :D

Chetk

Sorry to hear about the problems with your Speaker....
sounds strange....

I hope they replace it instead!

Are the L/R matched pair?

I'd say, have them both replaced !!!

You must have spent quite a bit on the 150P's ...they shouldn't go out on you like that

T. :twisted:

Jariten,

Have a safe trip!

ChetK,

Sorry to hear about your speaker.

That is really suprising!!! I was reading all the testing that M&K does on each speaker, before it is shipped. And this is the reason that they take so long to get the speakers out the door and into their customers hands. So I am more than floored by this. Please let us know how it turns out.

Update on my situation:

It turns out that it's not just one speaker, but...are you sitting down?...three of the speakers.

With the two speakers that still work, I have plugged them into the 5 outputs on the receiver and I do get audio. I can't believe I've had these speakers for 4 months and I've had this many problems. Why would three speakers go out at the same time? If it was a power surge, wouldn't it effect all 5 speakers?

Here's my setup:
Front Left and Rear Left are using the same power. Front Left speaker went out and Rear Left speaker did not go out.
Center, Front Right and Rear Right are using the same power. Center went out and Rear Right speaker went out, but Front Right Speaker plays fine.
I even tried using the Balanced Input 2 (as opposed to input 1). Then, I tried running an RCA cable from the output of the C1 to each RCA input on each bad speaker with no luck. These things just don't want to play audio.

What I also don't understand is that if there was a power surge, why are these things even powering up? Wouldn't it knock everything out of commission. I checked all breakers and fuses and everything is hunky dory. And I'm not having problems with ANY other electronics in my house (including Satellite receiver, TV, etc.)

One last note: My wife cleaned out the "junk" room LAST week and threw away all, but 1, of my boxes. M&K requires that you ship the speakers in their original boxes. So now, I'm stuck sending in one at a time. These speakers weight 45 lbs. each. Can you imagine how much it's going to cost me to send these to them? When I first purchased these speakers, I tried really hard to buy them straight from M&K, but M&K made me purchase through a local dealer. So, now that I'm having problems, I'm going to let my local dealer pay to ship them to M&K. Of course, I'll still have to ship one at a time. :cry:

Ok, one thing that has me baffled. are you using a seperate amp to power the fronts and rears instead of the built-in amps?

As for shipping, for the price that the S-150p's are, as long as they are packed to prevent damage, I don't understand why they would not take them. But, if the packing of the S-150p is anything like my 750's (which I'm sure it is) I can understand them "preferring" one to use the original boxes. It would take some extreme mishandling during shipping, to damage a speaker from this company.

Ok, one thing that has me baffled. are you using a seperate amp to power the fronts and rears instead of the built-in amps?
No. I'm using the C1 receiver to provide Unbalanced audio to each of the five S-150P's via XLR cables.

As for shipping, for the price that the S-150p's are, as long as they are packed to prevent damage, I don't understand why they would not take them. But, if the packing of the S-150p is anything like my 750's (which I'm sure it is) I can understand them "preferring" one to use the original boxes. It would take some extreme mishandling during shipping, to damage a speaker from this company.

Yeah, the S-150P boxes came with specially fitted packing braces to take hard hits if bumped. These amps are heavy so I can see how mishandling them could cause a lot of damage. Plus, I don't want to add another variable for M&K to say I owe them another penny.

Ah, ok. Have you tried to run them using their internal amps (maybe something gets bypassed)?

I do agree with you on not wanting to give M&K another reason to say we have a problem. My comment was geared at the (what I believe to be) very decent warranty that they offer as well as, for the cost of the products (M&K's aren't cheap, especially the models you own) they should be able to do little more at meeting yoy halfway or something on the shipping. Afterall, this is a second outage within 4 months.

Ah, ok. Have you tried to run them using their internal amps (maybe something gets bypassed)?

Ok...please exuse my ignorance of how a powered speaker works. :oops: I didn't know that they have no conventional binding post.

Well, I hope that M&K takes care of the problem pronto. That shipping one speaker at a time will have your system down for quite sometime, if they do not expedite accordingly.

Well, I think I'm just not going to worry about it. Worrying is like a rocking chair: You put your heart into it and it never takes you anywhere.

I'm taking the three speakers to my dealer for him to deal with it. I'll let you know the outcome.

:T
Hey Chetk !

what's the status?
did your dealer find anything wrong?

I'm curious to know what's wrong....

^_^''

I was working all Mon. - Fri. and my dealer isn't exactly close to me (about 45 min. to an hour away - one way). So I'm taking them by there tomorrow so they can ship them off on Mon.

I'll keep you posted. I promise. :wink:

Ok good ...

we want to know ^_^

:T

Just an update:

I dropped off the speakers on Monday, the 21st at my dealer's place. I'm assuming they have sent them to M&K and they haven't received anything back yet since I haven't heard from them.

That's all I got for now. I basically told them to call me when they're ready for me to pick them up.

Good. At least the process has started. Let's hope for a speedy turn around!

Hmmm
how old were they?

A replacement would have been nice

Keep us posted!

:T

I got them in Feb.

So last week, my wife and I went on a 7-day cruise (from July 4th through the 11th). I figured that would give M&K plenty of additional time to fix the speakers and get them back to my dealer (I gave them to my dealer on June 21).

I called my dealer yesterday and the owner (who always handles my issues) was with a customer. So I left a message. I never received a call back (which probably indicates that he doesn't have them yet and that he needs to contact M&K to get a status). So, since I haven't heard back, I just e-mailed him now.

He tends to get back to me via e-mail a lot better than ever calling me back. I'll let you all know how it goes.

I'm still not worrying (like stated above), just getting anxious to get my speakers back. I have no 5.1 and it's killing me. :cry:

Glad to hear you and the misses got a chance to get away!

I can imagine how you feel, not having your system to turn on at will. I often think about not having 5.1 and going back to just plain stereo. Then I wake up. I would kick myself everytime I watched a film. :B Let's hope the speakers are back home soon. :T

Thanks John! Still hoping. :cry:

Oh Man Oh Man!!! You don't know HOW pi$$ed off I am right now!!! :evil: :M :evil: :M :evil: :M

I just called my dealer and my contact was out on vacation until Tues. of next week. However, the guy I spoke to, told me that they (my dealer's shop) JUST sent them out at the beginning of this week!!! :M :M :M :M He said that M&K probably just received them today!!! :M :M

I hate my dealer so bad right now!!! Why the HE|| would it take them sooooooooo long to ship them out?!?!?! I can guarantee that my dealer put them in the back of his store and FORGOT to send them in. Once I e-mailed my dealer over the weekend, I bet it reminded him that he forgot to send them, and jumped on it! How can you forget that you have to send three big-@$$ M&K 150P's to M&K?

Man, I'm so pi$$ed off right now. :evil: :evil: :evil:

Oh man! I am really sorry to hear this. That is really piss poor service. After you (anyone) spends that kind of money, service should be a non-issue. While I applaud the honesty of not trying to place the blame elsewhere, there is no excuse for this not being a priority.

Goodluck.

5 Weeks now and still counting.

I spoke with my dealer at the beginning of last week and he said that he took the liberty of removing the amps from my speakers and just sent in the amps to M&K. :M He said he thought that they would probably get damaged by UPS. You see, M&K requires that you send in the speakers with their original box and I had only kept one of the original boxes (I thought, "If more than one go out, it probably won't be at the same time." Boy was I wrong.) Anyhow, M&K definitely needed the entire speaker so that they could "tune" the amps to each speaker. I can definitely respect that. That's why I'm upset at my dealer for removing the amps and sending only that part of each unit.

So, since M&K only takes each speaker in their original boxes, my dealer had to get new boxes shipped to them from M&K. At the beginning of last week, my dealer had not yet received the boxes. But he told me that, when he did receive them, he'd send out the rest of the speakers. So, I'm guessing that he received the boxes and sent them to M&K last week (probably UPS ground). I'd be lucky if M&K has even received them yet to do the testing.

The up side is that M&K said the amps are already fixed and they only need the speakers for tuning. Hopefully that won't take long. Anyway, I might see them in a couple of weeks (making it about 7 to 8 weeks that I was without my speakers. :roll: :cry:

This is really getting crazy. It just makes since that they would need them in their entirety. Your dealer has some real issues.

:E

Chetk ......I can't believe your dealer removed the Amps !
I can't believe it's taking so long for M&K to get you all back online...

I've been living without my setup for 5 weeks......I'm a nervous wreck....so I'm buying new AV racks...and getting ready to place an order for some M&K stands...

*shudder*

can't wait to unpack and put everything back together...

o_O

Still not here. :cry: :unsure: :banghead: :wtf: :bash: :naughty: :nono: :sh: :thud:

Good Morning,
I have the opportunity to buy either a 350, or 5000 sub when I go to the states later this month.
Transport back here won't be a problems as we are bringing someheavy equipment and we can bring the sub in with this.
To buy the M&K kit here costs about twice as much as in America, so my question: -

Is there that much difference between the 350 and the 5000?

Having heard the two demostrated, I could only hear the difference just before my nose started bleeding!!!

What are your thoughts?
Thanks

Hello caleb, and welcome to the Guide!

I've never heard an M&K sub so, I can't answer your question. hopefully someone (Maybe Jariten) will chime in with a suggestion.

Good luck. I hope it works out for you.

Ooookay...

difference between the 350 and the 5000?
350 is a 350W Amp and the 5000 has a 400W.

The 5000 or MP5410 for the pro series is what is usually used in DVD mastering Studios.

Drivers are the same
hummm
they'll kick you out of your room if you are not carefull...

I got a 5000 and it's just...awesome to look at...
I had a demo when I was back in Japan...and it's just...Woah
and blends in well with the S-150 series of speakers.

What will be the major usage of the Sub?
Music? movies?

What are the other speakers you are currently using?

Jariten,

I have the 5000 and it can give a pretty good kick, but I guess I haven't tried pushing it hard enough to "kick me out of the room". I didn't want to blow anything or distort it.

Should I try pushing the sub harder you think? I even thought about buying another since I didn't feel like it was enough. :E

So far, the subwoofer is the only speaker in my 5.1 M&K setup that hasn't required warranty work. :clap:

Hi Chetk.

a 2nd 5000 sub?

Have you actually turned the knib up there?

This sub would probably remove the windows easily here...^^;;;;;

What's the status on you Speakers?
Did M&K get them?

they playing with them?

o_O
we want to know!
:T

No, you really don't want to know. :cry:

M&K has had the speakers for quite some time now. They will not give a status to my dealer or myself (they don't return phone calls.) I don't think that they are in to much of a hurry around there. I can understand that it takes time to produce high quality speakers, but if that's the case, hire more people to get the job done faster. I mean, I paid enough money for the things that they should be able to hire more people to get the job done quickly and accurately. But what do I know? I'm not in the speaker manufacturing business.

To make matters worse, I have been listening to the other two 150P's I still have. Now they have gone out. So, while my other three speakers are in for repair, my other two have now gone out. So, if it takes them over two months to fix the next two speakers I send them, I will have gone 4 months without a complete 5.1 system.

These speakers sound great when they work, but I will eventually have five 150P's that required warranty work.

I have sent Ken Kreisel a very long e-mail that detailed every transaction I have made with my dealer and M&K. I haven't heard back yet, but I sent it late last night and I don't expect to get a response until, at least, the next business day. I carbon copied my dealer and the M&K national sales rep as well. Hopefully something will get done.

This entire ordeal has me wondering though: Is there something I'm doing wrong? If I had power hooked up wrong, wouldn't they not get power at all? All of them have power (I can tell by the red lights), but none of them play any audio. I know it's not my receiver because I tested it's outputs with positive results. If the damage was caused by power spikes, wouldn't more devices go out other than just these speakers? And what's even weirder: These speakers don't go out when I'm listening to them. They seem to go out when we're not listening to them. One night, things will be fine. The next day, when I turn on the receiver, nothing. Nada. Zip.

I'll keep you posted on the results.

PS. The sub-woofer is great. It hasn't gone out once.

8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O

That's all I can say...
This is unbelievable...

I don't know what to say

if the amps turn on..then you should hear sound.unless they are burning the voice coils

I mean..the amp in their subs is probably a base design for the amps in their powered series of speakers...

ok..not saying anything else...

This is becoming stranger by the day! Not only am I shocked by the amount of time to resolve the problem with your speakers, but what the heck is going on with all of them going out in the first place. This is just bad all the way around.

8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O


I'm still baffled by the turn of events...
They might be redesigning Chet's speakers?

Hi guys,

I just came in from a week long trip to Stavanger (Norway), Aberdeen (Scotland) and Amsterdaam.

I got a response from Ken Reingold of M&K. He apologized for the long delay in their customer service department. Then he said, The good news is your New S150Ps will ship early next week to [my dealer]. It is a very long process to build and calibrate the S150Ps. They go through many different tests before they are ready to be shipped.

I'm not sure if the word "New" means that I'm getting three entirely new manufactured speakers or if he meant it figuratively. I'm hoping they're new, but I want to make sure I'm doing everything right so that this doesn't happen again.

I have replied to his e-mail stating that I'm sending him the other two and asked him if he specifically knew what was wrong with the three that I sent before.

As always, I'll keep everyone posted.

YES we want to know what the problem is/was
and if they are NEW ..all the better!

:T :B :B :B :B

I just received an e-mail from Ken Reingold again. He had some good news for me.
I have very good news for you, I shipped 5 new S150Ps to [your dealer] yesterday. I just got off the phone with [your dealer contact] to tell him they are on the way. When you are able to bring in the other S150Ps you can take home 5 New Ones. Sorry for your inconvenience.

I called Ken to find out what happened to the three I sent in. He said that he wasn't exactly sure what went wrong, but I asked him if it was possibly my fault since I ran my own electricity. He said that he fealt as though it was a problem with the manufacturing/engineering of the amps and that I will have 5 newly manufactured amps.

I can't wait to get the 5 new speakers. :T

Woooohoooooooooooooooooooo!!

Check your outlets !

you may have a problem with those?

That is good news though ^_^V
:T

Alright, I have some weird news and some great news. I'll start with the weird news.

As mentioned at the beginning of last week, M&K was delivering 5 new s-150P's to my dealer. While they were in the mail, I decided to remove one of the amps to see if I could troubleshoot the "no-audio" problem. Upon removing the amps, I noticed a couple of 500mA fuses were blown. I confirmed that they were also blown in the other speaker I still had. So, I went to Radio Shack and purchased one package of 4 500mA fuses. After I put two of them in one of the amps and reassembled the amp to the speaker, I plugged it all back into the receiver and to my surprise, it worked!!! :E I couldn't believe that it took me 30 min. and $2.75 worth of fuses to fix the problem. I couldn't understand why it was taking M&K over 2 months to fix the speakers I sent in. Please read further.

After speaking to Ken Reingold and also my dealer, I mentioned that I thought it might be my power. They both stated that it was a problem with M&K's manufacturing and that's why I am being sent 5 newly manufactured speakers. So, now I don't have to worry about my power. Everything should be a-okay there. :T

Now for the great news: My five new S-150Ps showed up at my dealers on Fri. and they delivered them to my house today (free of charge) during lunch. I had to come back to work, but I'm about to go back home now and mount everything and hook it all up. If all goes well, I'll be back into a 5.1 surround sound set-up. :hump:

:p: :sn :drool: :yesnod: :popcorn: :-y ;b> :^x :yeah: :banana: :dudes: :party: :clap: :dance: :righton: :spin: :dothewave:

I'll let you know if everything works right after I get it installed.

:) :( :oh: :D ;) :confused: 8O :x 8) :P :oops: :cry: :wink: :evil: :roll: :B :twisted: :T :W :E :M :p: :lol: :Z :rofl: ;x( :greenstar: :1: :3: :5: :4: :amen: :drool: :?? :yesnod: :huh: :popcorn: :?: :nonod: :later: :yellowstar: :45: :sn :05: :thanku: :eating: :rant: :duh: :agree: :blink: :| :tired: :idea: :!: :-y :-y :arrow: :g> :rx xx) ;lx :rf :F ;b> 8x) ;-x :^x :heh: :k> :yeah: :fart: :banana: :banghead: :2guns: :boozer: :hb :f> ;zx :fart2: :leghumper: :smootch: :bash: :driver: :hump: :tomato: :angel: :assimilate: :argue: :321: :urinate: :throwup: :fight: :wtf: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :conveyer: :driving: :coffee: :td: :frypan: :dothewave: :dothewave: :dothewave: :dothewave: :dothewave: :dothewave: :dothewave: :dothewave: :dothewave: :dothewave: :dothewave: :dothewave: :dothewave: :dothewave: :dothewave: :dothewave: :jawdrop:

Woohooooooooooooooooooooo!

Why did it take them 2 months?
Well..they were trying to understand WHY those fuses were burning out ..most likely

As a Manufacturing Engineer...it sometimes takes time to get to the root cause and then find the best solution....

=)

Hope all goes well with your new 150Ps !!!

*grin*

You guys won't believe this: Ken Kreisel called me today while I was at work. I got the message when I got home so I called and he was in a meeting. As soon as the meeting ended (8:10pm my time, 6:10 pm his time), he called me back. We had about a 15 minutes conversation. He apologized for all of my problems and we talked about the recent problems I've been having with the 150Ps.

I've read a lot about Ken and it was nice to finally get to talk to him. I told him that the 150Ps sound great when they are all working and that I appreciated him taking the time to call me.

Top notch service. :T

Excellent!

Ken is the Man!

I've had exellent contacts with the people in Japan when I was back there.
(they only have the Professional line over there)
Denon used to sell the normal line...That's where I auditioned a system composed of S-150s and a MX5000THX MKII

they had an AVC-A1 and a Denon DVD-5000 hooked up..
they were using a Barco projector.

I didn't want to leave the demo room...
it was just my wife and I...
*GRIN*

That's where it all started...
bought the 3 fronts....
Had the B&W DS-6 as surrounds...
and I HAD to buy the Denon DVD player

now it's M&K all around
Speakers and stands
you can't beat them for HT.

Boom goes the sub!

o_O

and rattles the whole place down....
*GRIN*

ChetK must be back in heaven

*grinz*

I am. Plus, I've been watching The Passion of the Christ (I'm a Christian) so I'll be going there too. :B

I just watched Ghost in the Shell 2


amazing...just amazing..

:B

Hey guys!

Sorry I haven't been posting. My pc is on the fritz.

Chetk, Glad to hear M&K sent you new speakers. I think it was the least they could do after all you've been through. Hope these work out for you.

As soon as I get my pc straight, I'll be back posting. Hopefully that won't be too long down the road.

Hey John !
Welcome back ^_^;;

Well I've been busy too...
geting some M&K stands ..(darn those ST-1s are heavy!!)


Will have to post pics once everything is setup again ^^;;;

:T :T :T

Will have to post pics once everything is setup again ^^;;; Please do!

Hi Chet !

Hope you are enjoying your setup...
I finally .... received my ST-BS parts from my dealer...
o_O

it's all going up this week-end !
oh YEAH

Pics will follow ASAP !

^_^

I look forward to seeing the new setup as well. Let us know how the new stands work out.

the stands are just great...
everything just got in place so easily !
and the baseboard did not come off the wall ^^;;;


I was even able to use the stands for the MPS2525 surrounds...which weigh 30lbs each
it's still standing !


:B :B :B :B :B :B :B :T

Pics VERY soon!

That's what we like to hear, a smooth install! I'm really glad it all worked out for you.

BTW, have you glanced the new refurbished store on the M&K site?

:T

Hello everyone...
how are things?

Yup I just glanced at the "Used" store
some interesting things in there..as usual..^_^

don't think I need anything else right now though ^_^V

Need to scan pics now
I'll post as soon as possible!

:B

I hoping they add some nice used accessories, like stands and stuff. I've been itching to try the stands for my 750's but, they cost way too much for me to pay for them at msrp.

I wish I had a scanner and a camera to put up photos of my gear. Though I love seeing everyone elses! (hint,hint) :B

:T

Hello everyone...
how are things?

Yup I just glanced at the "Used" store
some interesting things in there..as usual..^_^

don't think I need anything else right now though ^_^V

Need to scan pics now
I'll post as soon as possible!

:B
Hey Jariten! What's up with those pics? :B

Well, since J isn't posting pics and I just bought a brand spankin' new digital camera, I thought I'd post pics of my setup. Sorry if they're so big for slow-connection viewers, but here goes:

http://www.smokinlights.net/images/olympus/front.jpg

http://www.smokinlights.net/images/olympus/side.jpg

http://www.smokinlights.net/images/olympus/side_back.jpg

I took these pics late last night and I didn't tidey up before taking the pictures. You can see the blockbuster case on the floor as well as the box to my digital camera. The books sitting on top of the MX-5000 subwoofer are reference material for the new drawers and shelves I'm building around the subwoofer in the coming months. Right now, the DVDs are just sitting on the floor, but the plan is to put them inside the drawers I'm building.

Hope you liked the pics. Feedback is welcomed. :D

Sorry for me to intrude here. I would really like you guys to Audition the M&K Speakers with SVS Subs. It really compliment each other. SVS Subs can be fine tune with the Behringer Feedback Destroyer(BFD). Try it and you never go back after this.

Nothing new lately? Everybody's happy? :P

Hey ChetK,

Nice looking setup! Very neat and tidy. Great Job!!!


Hello Zeppelin,

I have and SVS with my M&K's. And am in sonic heaven! :B Though I do not have my sub equalized, I am completey satisfied with its sound. While there are a tons of great sounding speaker combos, the M&K's w/SVS rank up there with the best of them IMHO.

Chetk,

I just wandered over from Club Rotel and I have something new: 2 LCR's and a center 850. I spent quite a bit of time auditioning these and other speakers in my system including some considerably more expensive models from other manufacturers and the 850's really held their own. Plus, they match very nicely with my LCR 55's which have been moved to surround duty.

For some reason though, these 850's just don't get the credit they should. Whether it's the old "M&K's are for HT only" or some other story, people just seem to dismiss these as good all around speakers. As for myself, I'm very happy with them. Being a long time M&K fan, I made extra effort to make sure my bias was not clouding my judgement. After enough auditioning to drive anyone nuts, the M&K's were just to hard to say no to.

John Holmes, I have been doing some looking into M&K as I have always been a big fan from the write-ups, but have never heard them. Today, I noticed from the S150 manual that you can use a BF50 to somehow bi-amp your speakers. What, if anything, have you heard regarding this setup. Also, from the specs of some of these speakers, the S150 being one of them, the numbers seem to tell me that M&K's are power ready with peaks of 400W being handled. Can't wait to audition some.

Erik

John Holmes, I have been doing some looking into M&K as I have always been a big fan from the write-ups, but have never heard them. Today, I noticed from the S150 manual that you can use a BF50 to somehow bi-amp your speakers. What, if anything, have you heard regarding this setup. Also, from the specs of some of these speakers, the S150 being one of them, the numbers seem to tell me that M&K's are power ready with peaks of 400W being handled. Can't wait to audition some.

Erik

Hi Erik-

Hmm... I acn't speak for the s-150, but there is no way that I can seer to Biamp my MPS2550 (S-250's) without modification. tell you what- I am heading to LV for the NAB show, will be stopping by thee M&K Booth, and I'll ask!

-Todd A.

Todd, that would be great! The .pdf file on the S150 gave an indication of biamping with this BF50 and seem a little confusing considering I can't find it on the website.

Hello ekkoville,

Sorry for taking awhile to get back to you.

It has been my understanding, M&K didn't support bi-amping. However, It has been quite sometime since I've read up on their theories or offerings.

I'll nose around and see if I can find out something. And hopefully, Todd will bring us back some info from the show. :T

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Back!

Hi Everyone...
Bi-Amping the M&Ks ...that would be interesting...


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Hmmm location...I should change ^^;;;

ChetK ...that's a clean stup...congrats!

^_^

Thanks a lot man! I thought this thread was dead! I knew Jariten would come back and revive it! Here's hoping it doesn't die from here on out.

Hey Jariten, been a while, how's NY? Contact me sometime to catch up.

Doug

ChetK

I hope it doesn't !

Lex !

Yeah it's been a while!
NY is good

Work is keeping me VERY busy.....

Wifey is out of town..had some friends over....and did some movie Viewing...

=))))

Nice to have you back Jariten!

It's been a while ^^;;;


Sorry about that...

so ..I still have my 7.1 M&K setup
and it's not going anywhere ^^

Happy New Year To All !


^_^

Hi everyone,

can anyone suggest a online retailer in the US that I can get M&K S-150's from Im UK based but have friends and family in the US that will happily take delivery and ship them off to me.

UK prices are around $1400 a piece.. which is daft.

Any help appreciated.

Cheers

Richard

Hi!

Just bought the S150 speaker system and it is way superior than the
750.

I'm glad everybody seems to be enjoying their S-150s. Mine are still kicking buttocks and taking names. :lol:

I've also been thinking of buying some SW-150s for wall mounting behind my couch to make it a 7.1 system. Especially with DTS-HD and DD+ coming. I think more titles are going to take advantage of 7.1 systems and hopefully in a lossless manner.

I'm really looking forward to hearing some lossless audio from my M&Ks. How many here have used the S-150s with something like DVD-A or SACD? Is there a major difference?

rich1231,
If you think you pay over the odds for M&K in England, you want to come down to South Africa pal.

This inporter here is a rip off merchant par excellence!.

Anything which costs 100 dollars in America will be for sale here for at least 350 ! ! ! !

That's why I refude to buy from him and rather go to the States and bring the stuff in myself.

Oh by the way he is a liar on top of being a rip off merchant - so I hope he is reading this forum.

"How many here have used the S-150s with something like DVD-A or SACD? Is there a major difference?"

I have use them with both. If its very well recorded it will simply sound awsome, but if its a very poor recording it sounds like crap. The speaker system is very revealing. I have the S150s plug into a Marantz SR9600 and use the ONkyo DV SP1000 as my source.

DVD-A and SACD are superior than any CD. Now if you want to see the difference between DVD-A and SACD, the SACD tends to be softer. I did an A/B comparison between the Diana Krall DVD-A and SACD using the same song, as well as others, and simply had the same result. I wouldn't say that one is superior to the other, as it depends a lot on your own taste.

Chris, thanks for the DVD-A vs. SACD vs. CD comparison.

I'm mostly interested in the comparison to CD because I'm curious if I'll be able to tell a difference between the current Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS to the new DD+ or Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD.

By reading your response, it looks promising. I can't wait to hear DolbyTrueHD or DTS-HD on my S-150P's. I hope I can tell a difference. After all, I love my 150P's, but I still haven't been able to get them to sound as "good" as the movie theater. The closest I've gotten was LOTR EE's in DTS mode.

Chetk,

For a few weeks I had the Toshiba HD A1 in my system and tested a couple of DVDs recorded with DD+ and SDDVDs. Some examples include the last Samurai, Serenity,Phantom of the Opera, Apollo 13 and others.
The DD+ to me is not a day and night difference yet. It is definetely richer than DD and has a wider dynamic range.

The reasond on why you haven't been able to get them to sound as good as the movie theater is because it really depends on the quality of the transfer. The S150s are very revealing and show the effort of the artist when mastering the CDs or DVDs.
If its recorded like crap you will hear crap, but if they are recorded well you are in for real treat.

Chetk,

The reasond on why you haven't been able to get them to sound as good as the movie theater is because it really depends on the quality of the transfer. The S150s are very revealing and show the effort of the artist when mastering the CDs or DVDs.
If its recorded like crap you will hear crap, but if they are recorded well you are in for real treat.

Thanks.

But, for the sake of argument, if it's Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD (eventually) they will be lossless and that shouldn't matter. Right?

The new formats offer the opportunity to have a substantial improvement in the audio. But at the end of the day it really will depend on how good the sound engineer recorded the material.

The new formats offer the opportunity to have a substantial improvement in the audio. But at the end of the day it really will depend on how good the sound engineer recorded the material.
Yeah. That makes sense. I suppose the mix for the theatrical release is a totally different mix down for the home theater release, even if it is into a lossy codec. Great discussion. :T

So..this thread is still going on.....COOL!~
I'm back again..after another year of crazy work.....
ANYWAY.....
Yes the S-150s are just great...
As long as the Sound engineer knows what is doing....
=)
still enjoying my 7.1 system....of which I still need to post pics of.....
<--- shame...
@_@

Happy listening

Hello all,
What size rooms are you using your 150's in? I have a 18 wide, 24 long and 9 high room. Talking with M&K it seems like the 150's may not be big enough. The 250's are cool, but a buck or two more. Anyone with a simliar sized room that feels the 150's just aren't big enough. Also, looking at the 150 tripole for sides and the mini-towers for the rear. I will be setting up for a two-row theater and want the back to have enough surround? Anyone used the 250 surrounds? Holy Crap. They are more than the LCR speakers. Wow. The are also an option.
Roly

Hey Jariten, glad you are still around!


Hello Rolyasm,

The reason M&K may have made that statment, could be that, their speakers are designed from a "near monitor" prospective. Of course, I am just guessing this may be the reason.

Now with that beaing said...my room is almost identcal to yours. I have the lower end 750's and have no problem with them filling the room. Though, my listening diistance from the L/C/R speakes are only about 8ft.

I don't have M&K for my sides or back so, I cannot really comment the tri-poles.

John,
Have you listened to the speakers from around 18 feet back? Would you mind trying it and see what you think. You are correct about the "near Monitor" perspective. M&K guy was under the impression I just might max out the speakers and still want more volume. Not sure. What are you using for surrounds, processors?
Roly

Rolyasm,

No problem. I'll give it a shot this evening.

My surrounds are Fosgate Audionics SD180 di/bi-poles (used as di-poles). My backs are Presidians (got them at Radio Shack as a temp fix for 7.1). My processor is a B&K Reference 50.

Well, I gave them a listen from 18ft. I'm no "Golden Ear" but, I didn't hear anything to make me believe any less involvement was happening at 18ft. They were still clear sounding and able to deliver an immersed soundstage.

However, my speakers have a different design philosphy. The S-150's have a disspersion pattern, which is much more controled. So take my test with a grain of salt.

Thanks John,
You are right. It might not be a fair comparison. Different dispersion patterns and design may make the 2 very different in response. For some reason I was thinking you had the 150's. Guess my brain is failing if I can't keep track of those things from the first to the last page of a thread. 8O
Roly

Rolyasm

When I auditionned the M&K speakers @ Denon Columbia back in Japan , the room was very similar to your room size..

the M&K 150 had no problem at all and the SS150 were used as sides
this was a 5.1 setup with the S150 as LCR and SS150 for surrounds and MX 5000THX MKII as a sub...
the system was composed of the Denon DVD 5000THX and the Denon AV1 surround processor/amp combo

my current stup consists of the S-150 LCR, the MPS2525 (same as SS250) for the sides, SS150 for rears and MX 5000THX MKII for the sub...

though my listening area is not as big as yours...I typically top out at -20dB on the Parasound C1 before wife walks in and complains.../plaster starting to come off walls etc....

I use a Parasound 2205A for the LCR and sides, and 2 Marantz MX500 for the rears...

(curretnly in JFK airport...someone walking with a car audio amplifier unde rhis arm..o_O)


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Gah...typos...

^^;;;

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Rolyasm

When I auditionned the M&K speakers @ Denon Columbia back in Japan , the room was very similar to your room size..

the M&K 150 had no problem at all and the SS150 were used as sides
this was a 5.1 setup with the S150 as LCR and SS150 for surrounds and MX 5000THX MKII as a sub...
the system was composed of the Denon DVD 5000THX and the Denon AV1 surround processor/amp combo

my current stup consists of the S-150 LCR, the MPS2525 (same as SS250) for the sides, SS150 for rears and MX 5000THX MKII for the sub...

though my listening area is not as big as yours...I typically top out at -20dB on the Parasound C1 before wife walks in and complains.../plaster starting to come off walls etc....

I use a Parasound 2205A for the LCR and sides, and 2 Marantz MX500 for the rears...

(curretnly in JFK airport...someone walking with a car audio amplifier unde rhis arm..o_O)


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Jaretin,

I was hoping you'd respond. I knew you were better suited to answer this question. ;x(

:T

Hi There..

yeah..sorry that I don't get one the forum more often...
travelling too much between NY, California and Florida....

can't stay still!!!


=))

Hey all...

BIG fan of MK and looking for more feedback on the rest of their line. I use to own a V75 and wish I still had it. I am looking at the mid level of their line. I listened to a set at Barretts the other day briefly and definately going back for some serious listening.

They were the small bookshelves w/the arched metal grill? Can't recall the model...

I am heavily considering the 600 series and now want to do more research on the MK's. Their website is very difficult to get an idea of the differences between models and well...its pretty much a mess. Its like Ken Kreisel did it himself LOL!

The S-150's is what everyone talks about and they are great but I don't believe they are within my budget limits right now. Finishing the basement w/all the amenties w/home theater.

Thanks for your feedback or any direction on other sites.

Hello Sponge, And :welcome: aboard!!!

Nice to hear from another M&K enthusiast! I too oneday hope to own the 150's. However, I own the 750's (see my avatar) and am very, very happy with them. My desire to someday own the 150's is just greed!!! :twisted: :B

I'm not sure which speakers you listen to. They (M&K) have a few models that match your discription. But I must admit, I've yet to hear an M&K speaker that I didn't like.

Thanks John!

I am not sure either the 750's make sense by their appearance but not at the price point he gave me. I am going to go back into the store next week and get a better listen to them.

Do you have any experience with the Xenon or the K series?

According to their website its about $200 between each series...K to Xenon to 650/750's to the 850's

There is no price difference between the 600's to the 700's? From what I can decifer on the website the 600's have same tweeter as the 800's hence the same price as the 700's.

The kicker on all of these is the price of the stands cost nearly what the speakers do!

^correction after reading more on the 750's that is what I was listening to.

I am forced to the rear's in the ceiling. The sales rep also recommended doing the SW51 for the rear's.

What is a good price on these? Their website has an MSRP of $799 pr...I have been quoted $300 ea, $260 for the stands (ouch), Rear's $320

This seems like a good price to me...Its boiling down to these vs. the B&W 602's...nice thing is this store sells both so a side by side will decide!

Sorry it's been a couple of days Sponge. I've been busy doing family things.

As far as the K-series and the Xenon series, they sound good for what they are but, I really don't care for woofers that are smaller than 5". I also prefer dual woofers if the woofs are 5.25". This makes for a little more punch and clarity of the midrange, as well as makes the speaker more efficient.

I agree with you about the cost of M&K's stands. They seem to be on the high side for sure. Though they are designed to match the speakers thus, making them a more secure unit when used together. And some of them allow for vast articulation of the speaker.

I'm sure you'd be happy with either M&K or B&W. The majority of the reviews are very positive about multiple speakers in various lines of both companies. Only your budget and ears can make the choice.

I bought my 750's when they first hit the streets. This was six yrs ago. The price has gone up since then.

Thanks for the feedback John. I have the same sentiments...I am also considering in wall's on the front which I hate the sound of at first but I have a baby on the way and I just shutter at the thought of a toddler pulling speaker onto its head.

Maybe mount the 750's on the wall? hmmm...wander what that would sound like!

Argh life is so full of difficult decisions!

Thanks for the feedback John. I have the same sentiments...I am also considering in wall's on the front which I hate the sound of at first but I have a baby on the way and I just shutter at the thought of a toddler pulling speaker onto its head.

Maybe mount the 750's on the wall? hmmm...wander what that would sound like!

Argh life is so full of difficult decisions!

I fully understand the concerns with the little one. I've had my 750's within 2 feet of the front wall and they sound good. But they sound much , much better at the current 4.25ft mark I have them at now. :T

That's what I figured...we shall see.

Hey John what do you think of the new 750 towers they are introducing...I emailed them yesterday about it and got this response.

The 750 towers are pretty heavy as, you will have no problem as far as them tipping over.These towers are a limited time only product which use our latest crossover and the transmission line tweeter, which the regular 750's do not come with.These towers also give you better mid bass response compared to the original 750's.These towers are like 750's on steroids.I have listened to them extensively and they sound much better then the original 750's.

I am really thinking about these...its them or the Monitor plasma line up...

Holy Crap! Didn't know about them. I'm going to their site for a look see right now.

Well, after a quick look see... :huh: I'm confused. I saw a statement that read, the speakers are identical to the originals, just in a tower configuration. And, unless my math is way off, it's cheaper to purchase the speaker and stands instead of the towers. Speakers are $399.00 ea., stands $299.00 pr., the towers are $650.00 ea.

M&K had the right idea. Making a tower version made sense. But I'm not sure how they will justify the price difference.

Read thru the specs and one of the write up's they use a new crossover and tweeter...I believe the crossover is quite a bit better. Hence his response how much better they sound.

Additionally I think that the towers would cost more due to wood and finish than the stand would? Hence the extra weight too...

I so wish they were on a showroom floor to check them out...may have to buy them :)

Hence the price I am sure that they are worth the extra 50 bucks...but the discount I we can get a regular retailer its more like an extra 200 :roll:

And for a limited time, we're introducing these speakers by building them with the full Professional Driver Set including the Professional Transmission Line Tweeter previously reserved for our Professional nearfield monitors and the 850 series models.

The LCR750THX satellite speaker is one of our most popular products of all time. Because so many enthusiasts have combined this speaker with its matching LDM speaker stand, we've taken the next logical step and created a new tower version of the LCR750THX - The exact same speaker is now built INTO the stand ! These elegant towers use the identical components as the original to deliver the same performance - and they are available in multiple finishes including genuine wood veneers! Also available in a special Horizontal Center channel version (currently only in Black), shown at left. Please contact the factory with additional questions.

I've only found the above in two different locations on their site. So again, something doesn't add up. Ironically, I heard a very similiar statement being made "The new 750 THX Select speaker has the same tweeter and crossover that is used in our acclaimed S-150 THX speakers.", when the 750's first launched a little over six yrs ago. Maybe I'm just getting to old to recall what was being said back then. I probably got it all screwed up.

But I also thought it was strange that, M&K made new woofers for the 750's not more than a yr or so after the 750's release, thus the MKII ver of the 750 was born. Strange because, the original 750 speaker took 4 or 5 awards for sound upon it release.

Please don't get me wrong. I do like M&K. I love their sound. I'm just curious how they always seem to leak this kind of info.

BTW, I own the original series which still rocks the house with no issues.

My bet would be the new woofers happened due to production/supply issues with the original woofer.

It is strange...I hate to make a decision w/o listening to them. I have a few weeks to stew on it.

I would try to listen to them first also.If they have indeed changed things, they will (as you know already) sound different from the bookshelf model. I may try to go to my dealer this weekend to see if they have them in. I liked to hear them as well.

According to their website they are a direct only web deal...hence full price. It also says they are going to make them for a limited time...whatever that means...

Ah...ok. Well, that's going to make it difficult to hear the new upgrades! :B

Now I understand why your decision making process has become harder. Maybe we will get lucky and a review will pop up in the next week. Or better yet, someone else will pull the trigger that have heard the standard 750's, and give us some insight.

I like your thinking...can I have a little of what your smoking? LOL

I like your thinking...can I have a little of what your smoking? LOL
:rofl:

Hey Sponge,

I finally found the info on the 750's that you posted. It only has the info in question under the M&K online purchase section. The rest of the site has the info I listed.

It also seems that the upgraded items are listed as a limited time deal. My guess is that, the speakers will become part of the regular inventory but, without the upgrades after the promo period. Initially, I thought this new "speaker" would only be available for that time. But now I understand that it is the upgraded version of it that is limited.

Sorry I was so confused on the issue.

No prob it took me a few times thru the site before I found that too. Their website is long over due for a makeover. I think Ken Kreisel must have done it with MS Front Page :)

One of my first posts to this forum, and I'm a big M&K fan. I originally started with a K7s for LCR and K4s for surrounds. I have upgraded to 851s for L and R and a 125C for the center. I replaced the K4s with Surround 55s. The constant in both systems is a MX-70B subwoofer. At the same time I upgraded the speakers I replaced a Pioneer Elite reciever with an Outlaw 990 and an ATI 5 channel amp (300 w/channel at 4 ohms). All of this is in a room that is 15' wide and about 22' long with an 8' ceiling. My listening position is about 11' from center speaker. All my current speakers share the same pro tweeter used in the 150 series as well as the same woofer. I spent a lot of time conversing with M&K before making the upgrades and was assured they would all work well together. The new speakers are significantly better than the Ks. IMO this is largely due to the tweeter. I can only imagine what the 150s sound like with three of those tweeters.

I look over M&K's cumbersome site pretty often looking for a sweet deal. My 851s were new, but a discontinued color and so $300 off MSRP. I admit to drooling over the MX-70B with the new superfast drivers....

I'm glad to see there are M&K enthusiasts on this forum.

Hello AvFan, Welcome to the Guide!

Congrats on the upgrades to your system. It's made up of very nice gear.

Like you, I'm extremly happy with my current M&K's but, would love to someday on the 150's. Just because...well there really isn't a better reason, I just want them!!! :B

BTW, sweet deal on the speakers. They always sound better when you can get them at a great price.

General question:

M&K used to make wall mounts that would work with their heavier speakers that would tip and swivel (ST series) but they are now discontinued. I think the price for flat wall mounts was $165. Does anybody know of wall mounts that are beefy enough to support my 851s that swivel and tip?

I have never used them myself. So, I'm not really up to snuff in that area. You may try to get a set on ebay though. I see a lot of M&K items there from time to time. Maybe even Audigon.

Have you looked in M&K's outlet store on their website?

Yes, unfortunately they don't have any for sale at M&K. I saw a pair on ebay a few months ago but I didn't need (eh, want) them at the time. Oh well, the search continues.

Right now I have the 851s mounted in the corners of the room and angled towards the sweet spot. I put them there for asthetic reasons but now I plan on moving them in towards my wall mounted plasma in hopes of getting the full benefit of the crossover. According to Barry at M&K I should be able to use white noise to align the speakers so a stereo source lines up right in the middle of your forehead when sitting at the sweet spot. He described it as snapping into place. I find myself listening to more music now that I have better equipment and I like that sharp stereo effect. It may not be the best setup when there are several viewing/listening but I'd like to give it a try. The swivel/tip wall mounts are necessary to align the speaker to the sweet spot using white noise.

Has anyone aligned their speakers using white noise?

I actually asked Barry the same question a few yrs ago. He gave me the same response that you received from him. I have it outlined on the first page of this thread. The white noise works.

Hey John I bit the bullet! and your going to crap your pants when you hear this... :)

I went into ABT today to buy the 750's for the front and SW50's for the rear's...as well as Panny 50" plasma, wetbar fridge, and all the necessary gear to go with it.

Well ABT is getting out of MK because of supply issues...they are such a high volume store MK can't keep up with them. SO MK's loss is my gain...

They closed out the 150's to me for 480 ea!!! I got the LCR for under $1,500! and the SW50's for the rear's one was 194 one for 298. the cheaper one was from a display and had never been hooked up the other was new in the box. Hence the price difference.

My Cards win the World Series last night and now I get my dream speakers!!!

I had to share it with someone that would be happy for me because most people are out of touch with these great speakers.

Holy Crap is right Batman!!! :rofl:

Wow Sponge! Congrats on the big score. Talk about being in the right place at the right time. That was one fantastic deal. I'm glad that it happened to a person that could really appreciate what they are getting for the money.
I wish you much success and enjoyment of your incredible score.

Thanks John! I can't quit smiling! They are delivering them with my TV next week so I have a week of hell in front of me waiting.

On another note they only had 2 of the wall brackets to hang the speakers...I need a third. Because MK has quit making them (which sucks) do you have a recommendation on any brackets? I already contacted MK...



I just ordered a THX sign for the home theater LOL!

Try www.radioshack.com and then do a search for speaker wall mounts. There are a couple there that should fit the bill for you.

Let us know when you get everything rockin!

What a great deal. I'm happy for you.

The thing about M&K is that they really do have a hard time meeting demand (which is very difficult for me to understand). When I bought my 150P's, the dealer told me that they would love to do more volume with them, but they couldn't because M&K couldn't keep up.

I have spoken with Ken K. (the "K" in "M&K") and I think he's a great guy, but if it were my business, I think I'd hire knowledgable people that could build and test these speakers and sell a LOT more product. But, then again, I'm not Ken nor am I in the speaker building business.

Will do John...and Chet I hear you.

When you have a store like ABT in Chicago that has to be the highest volume electronics store in area and they drop you because of a supply issue you need to evaluate the channels you sell into.

The shop I worked at in college was a high end specialty hi-fi store and we dropped MK too because of supply. Subs went out as quickly as they came in...we picked up Monitor to replace them.

They make top notch products but its hard to stay in business when you don't keep up with demand.

I can't wait till Friday. I may have to take the day off!

So I called MK on suggestions for the remaining speaker bracket I need...

They recommended the Omni 60W...so a buddy of mine that does custom install stuff orders me one. It came two days ago and this thing is a HUGE it looks like it would hold a TV up.

So last night the finishing work is done and I am ready to hang some speakers well I