I talked with Paul at Parasound today, and got some good info on the update issue. Apparently yes, the current version available is 6.42. Version 6.49 was developed, but bugs were found, and it is not currently available to the public. If anyone inadvertently has version 6.49, they should contact Parasound for instructions.

Apparently, version 6.42 was released very shortly after the debut of the Halo equipment, so just about everyone should have 6.42 as the "initial" software that came with your Halo equipment delivered from the manufacturer.

Parasound is currently testing a newer software version beyond 6.49 that will be released when it is verified to be okay.

Future updates should be announced on the Parasound website. Depending on the type of update, it may be available as a new EPROM chip or a software update that can be delivered, or downloaded and flashed into the equipment via the serial port.

*** UPDATE 28 FEB 2005***

The newest C1/C2 processor software version is now 6.80, available for download on the Parasound website.

*** UPDATE 28 SEP 2005***

The newest C1/C2 processor software version is now 6.86. If you download the same file as above, it now shows up as 6.86, which fixes the bug that some were getting with main channels signals coming out of the rear surround speakers.

What are some of the bugs, Chris? The only 2 I've discovered are that every once in a blue moon, when I power down the entire system, the C2 remains in "powering down" mode, and hence the amps (which are connected via 12 volt triggers) remain on. I am forced to manually switch the unit off by the switch at the back.

The only other bug I know of is that Party Mode engages a 7.1 sound field, instead of the 5.1 it was designed to. For me, this is a "good bug."

Ah, sorry! I didn't even bother to ask what the bugs might have been. (may have seemed rude to ask what flaws a company found in a product that they aren't even releasing to the public) The version issue was just interesting.




CHRIS
http://www.htguide.com/bilder/images/199/C17gif.jpg Luke: "Hey, I'm not such a bad pilot myself, you know"

My brand new unit has 6.37 on it. I contacted Parasound about it and was assured that not much was changed in the 6.42 and that it would be advisable to just wait until there is a version worth upgrading for.

And they are right, because I havent noticed any problems.

edit: made this topic sticky since it contains very usefull info.

So how long does it take Parasound to test a new version of the software and release it?

Don't know, but there has been no official release since the release of the equipment. There have been some intermediate versions and updates since the start. 6.52 seems the latest version, however still not officially released. I know they are working on various things and really want the new firmware to be working properly before releasing it. These things shouldn't rushed, since solving one problem should not introduce another.

Please keep watching this space for news on a new firmware.

I just took delivery of my C2 a couple of days ago. It has 6.52 installed (October 2003).

Just so everyone knows, the Halo Control software posted on the Parasound website http://www.parasound.com/halonew/C1downloads.asp was updated on 29 April 2003. Version 1 was previously dated 20 August 2002, and the current version is version 2. (file name HaloSetup_v11)

The MX-700 Remote Editing software has not been updated since first posted to the same webpage, dated 22 May, 2003.




CHRIS
http://www.htguide.com/bilder/images/199/C17gif.jpg Luke: "Hey, I'm not such a bad pilot myself, you know"

Any updates on an update?

I would like to try the new DPIIx version.

Hi, Excuse my lack of knoewledge about these questions, which may have been discussed...but I'm new & seriously considering a C2. Does anyone know if PLIIx is in the works? Is there a new model RIGHT around the corner that will offer much that the current unit will not be upgradeable to? How is Parasound about the pricing for in upgrades requiring in house mods? Is the warranty transferrable? Any & all feedback will sure be appreciated. Kind Regards, Rob

I picked up my Halo C2 on April 17, 2004 and it was loaded with 6.52 (October 2003). According to Parasound, 6.52 is the current firmware release.

I talked to Paul as well and found out that PLIIx support is forthcoming for the C2 processor. I believe he said by end of year it will be available for download or available via your authorized dealer.

The end of the year? Wow ... and last year they promised feb/march for new firmware. Btw ... i advice everybody to contact their local distributor or dealer before installing a new firmware (even if its available for download). This is because the warranty is with the local distributor and not with parasound, so they might have different policies (I found this out the hard way!).

This is because the warranty is with the local distributor and not with parasound, so they might have different policies (I found this out the hard way!).
Hmmm. My authorized dealer told me that I can contact the dealer or Parasound for technical issues. I wonder if the policy on this varies from country to country.

What happens if your dealer went out of business on year 2 of your 10 year warranty? I think Parasound will ultimately honor the warranty if you purchased from an authorized dealer.

What's the word on this software upgrade?

I'd like to have Circle Surround (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=290975) capabilities and PLIIx too of course!

Also, when these software updates occur for the C2, does the C1 get the same treatment and the same timeline?

Thanks!

Well, I hate to sound like a broken record, but... nothing official has been announced.

I would have to say yes, if anything comes out for the C1, more than likely it will come out for the C2 as well. Since the two units have the same capabilities except for a hardware component or two, I think this will continue in the future. One notable exception might be though if they add HDMI switching or something where more ports can fit on the back of the C1 than the C2, kind of like the component switching.

I would venture that the next update will likely include DPLIIx, but no guesses about Circle Surround.

@chris: the expansion port of both units has the same size. The only difference is that the C1 has more space left inside the unit, but if they now create something that would only fit the C1, then why did they ever make an expansion port on the C2?

What is the last firmware for halo C2 ? The 6.52 ?

Where are the firmware file to download? I don't find firmware on the parasound/halo's website ...

Have you new information for the prologic II-X?

thanks

I have asked to the parasound's service : Is there a software upgrade for halo C2 to have prologic II-X?

and they answer me this :
Thank you for your email.


We expect to have an upgrade available at the end of 2004 or the beginning of 2005. There will most likely be several items in this upgrade package. We will release details in the late fall.


Regards,
Paul C. Brownlee
Parasound

after a second e mail :

There will most likely be several upgrades offered.

The PLIIX will be software.

There will most likely be a hardware upgrade for new connectors being offered.



There will be an announcement in late fall.

HEY!!! Nice new info. I can't wait for more options!!! :T

Great info but I do not want to wait that long. I suspect Parasound has DPLIIx available now but they are holding off because they want to add other features to the upgrade package.

The software update will be out in the next 45-90 days and will be free. Anyone that inquires with Parasound about this will be told by the end of the year, but it will be here much sooner. Expect to see many upgrades, not just DPLIIx. They have been working on this for quite some time and everyone will benefit. Being that I'm a dealer I have access to more specific information. I would suggest that anyone interested in the upgrade contact their dealer so that they can inquire with Parasound for you. They will be much more likely to get exact information.

wow... updates a year later than promised before :)

50 days and counting... :D

hi there all, I just received an email today from Parasound - here is a snipet...

"PLIIx is imminent - you'll only have to be patient a bit longer."

I've already got an A52, but now I've got an excuse to get a C2 as well...if only they weren't so expensive in the UK :(

CaM

caM,
I see that you have crupmled under pressure and have now got a c2, well done! nice to see another uk user here!

...resistance was futile!

yep, I represent another uk bod here as well as being probably the only kiwi presence :)

CaM


caM,
I see that you have crupmled under pressure and have now got a c2, well done! nice to see another uk user here!

80 days and counting... :confused:

Hey Brent,

What's the word?

Chetk, you're too funny. I must have missed the buzzer that went off. (Did I hit the snooze button?)

Sorry, I'm not trying to be an @$$. Really! I'm just curious about these upgrades from Parasound. It's been a while and my upgrade port is getting lonely.

I talked to someone from parasound on friday and they said that they were just fixing a bug and that after that it would be relased....which i hope means very soon :)

CaM

:party: I would translate this to mean sometime in the end of this year, as a guess.

That's correct CaM. For all those waiting...we should see something very soon. The update was ready and then in the last hour Parasound found a bug that needed to be fixed before the eminent release. Too bad...they were close to meeting that 90 day window Chet was counting down. :B I think if we bump it another 30-60 days we should be safe. Chet do you have your clock?...ready...set...go... :B

I also think everyone will be pleasantly surprised. Lot's of cool stuff coming.

One other note...EHExpo is in 3 weeks in Long Beach...rumor has it something might show up there. :gossip:

:T

I love dem gossips!!!

Yes ..software bugs are a pain....


oh well...
:B

:T Thanks for the update Brent. I've got the clock ticking. :P :B

Hey Brent,

Are you going to be at the Expo tomorrow? If so, can you do me a favor and stop by the Parasound booth to see if the update is ready to go?

Thanks!!!
Later!

Chetk, you are definitely the most eager beaver on these boards for that update!

If the truth be known, I don't even know what the update is going to do. I'm just eager for something new. I'm most interested in the upgrade cards. I'd like DVI, but I don't think it's going to happen. I wouldn't even care if it's not available until 2005. I just want to know what the hardware upgrade options are going to be.

Fact is, I hate it when manufactures build something that is upgradable and then never offer anything to upgrade it. Once Parasound brings out an upgrade, I'll know they are a sound company (No pun intended.) Mitsubishi didn't bring out many upgrades for their "promise" module which ended up being a broken "promise". :M

Excellent point. The proof is in the pudding.

Parasound upgraded the AVC-2500, didn't they? ;)

cough, cough, Dec. 15th, cough. :)

What happens on the 15th. Cough, Cough? :W

We get to count down the 10 days of Christmas. LOL :B

The first software upgrade. That is the date Parasound is shooting for. It will be free and available from your dealer.

Good sh!t.

I'm at EXPO and Parasound will show the AVC-2500 replacement in the classic series tomorrow...I'll post details as I get them over the next couple days. This is a PrePro that competes with the AVM-30 and others at the $3K price point. It should be fully loaded and also help drive the feature set improvements of the Halo line. They obviously don't want their new prepro to be better than the current Halo gear, even if it's only on paper. They should also show their new multi-channel amps as well. Upgrades for Halo (both software and hardware) are due very soon. I'll also post if there are any official Halo announcements from the EXPO as well.

Brent Huskins
Media Design

PS - Any of my clients in the LA area feel free to call me on my cell if you want to hook up in Long Beach, 817.300.1223

Hello, Brent!

I just made my reservations for CES today! I'm going to guess that you are going again, right?

Cool news on the classic replacement. I'm interested to see what they have cookin' and what we can expect both hardware and software wise.

Any news on the DVD player yet? :rofl:

Brent, you're going to be in LA?? What's your schedule look like?

Long Beach and surrounding area until Thursday...The schedule is hit and miss...I've got to keep the wife happy. :)

Let me know if you're down in Long Beach.

Brent

Hey Brent, I'll try giving you a call tomorrow. See if you're available for lunch or dinner or something. Would be cool to finally meet the Man Behind the Curtain.

Well, all, definitely post to the Club here when you see or hear anything definite of something new, whether it be the classic or Halo line, or something else.

I'll post pictures when I can...hopefully this weekend.

Classic has a new Prepro and 2 new 5 channel amps.

Pictures posted on the new gear in a new thread...

Also...December 15th is the target date for the DPLIIx software to be released...Please don't call Parasound to ask about it until after the 15th. This will let them hit their target. It will be posted on their website for all to download.

OK Chet…start the new countdown…

Once it's posted on their site, is it simply then a matter of downloading it onto a PC and then somehow transferring it into the C2 via RS232 port?

Dammit, I leave for Hawaii on the 15th. And without the C2. What timing.

awe...life is tuff! :)

Brent Huskins
Media Design

i feel so sorry for you going to Hawaii..... :)

CaM

Hmmmm...Hawaii or C1 update? Hawaii or C1 update? It's such a tough decision. 8)

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hahaha yeah you guys are right. My actual home is in Hawaii, I only came to LA for college, so I guess it never seemed like a big deal.

Actually, for most people, the question is, "which can I afford... a Hawaii vacation or a C1/C2? Hmmm.... Hawaii, or C1/C2?"

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I'm going to be in LA away from my computer next week. You guys are going to have to fill in in my absence.

8 days :)

0 Days and counting....

0 Days and counting....

3 more hours and it will be 8 AM in California... :B

So is today the day.
Twas the night before Xmas and all thru the house not a creature was stirring not even a mouse
children were nestled all snug in their beds
while visions of parasound danced in their heads

I stated in another post that today's release has been slightly delayed because of all the features being added. A couple more weeks is all, but it will be well worth it.

Please don't call Parasound asking where the release is...it's eminently coming in the next few days.

...while visions of parasound danced in their heads

nice :)

Is it a couple of days or weeks? when the wife says its ok to upgrade you don't want to give them time to have second thoughts especially around the holidays

Just remember it's always easier to beg for forgiveness than to initially ask for permission. Now that it's in the house, she can throw all the tantrum she wants, but just put your foot down and tell her that the update is coming, the unit isn't going anywhere, and why aren't you smelling any turkey being cooked? =)

A couple of weeks...

This is software only though...it shouldn't keep you from getting Halo gear now and upgrade the software in a couple of weeks. It will be field upgradeable.

Ok I know there is going to be an official announcement soon but I cant hold it in any longer. The new software will feature amongst other things -

1. Dolby Pro Logic IIX
2. Better bass management (cut off frequency adj in 5Hz increments from 20-200Hz) but will not allow different settings for different sources
3. Party mode will now include the back channels
4. Lipsync correction
5. Six independant bass and treble turnover points
6. DSP 96Khz sampling for bass and treble adjustment (not sure what this means)

There may be other things but these are the main upgrades. No hardware changes atm.

Enjoy!

I'm glad I didn't post this...but the list is right on...minus a couple of things.

I'm glad I didn't post this

Brent - Parasound themselves are telling anyone who bothers to ask. I called them regarding a technical issue and in the conversation mentioned future upgrades and out came the list. Its not confidential.

Just remember it's always easier to beg for forgiveness than to initially ask for permission. Now that it's in the house, she can throw all the tantrum she wants, but just put your foot down and tell her that the update is coming, the unit isn't going anywhere, and why aren't you smelling any turkey being cooked? =)

Whaaapssssshhhh! (sound of bullwhip cracking) Wow, you go, boy!

5. Six independant bass and treble turnover points
6. DSP 96Khz sampling for bass and treble adjustment (not sure what this means)

Could this be for that?

Would this upgrade include?
1) Bass management for the 7.1 inputs for SACD's and DVD-Audio?
2) Independent crossovers frequencies for every channel?
3) Any notch filters?
4) When you say six independent bass and treble turnover points. Do you mean you can adjust the bass and treble separately for each channel?

How about that THX Game mode that we keep hearing about?

I'm sure that has to be in there somewhere.

What is THX Game Mode?

Whaaapssssshhhh! (sound of bullwhip cracking) Wow, you go, boy!

Haha, I can only say that because I'm not married, and so no wifey is over my shoulder watching what I type. For the rest of you hitched guys...I feel for ya.

I had to call Parasound and find out what the update was all about. It isn't going to have bass management for the 7.1 analog inputs. It also isn't going to have a couple othe features that I was hoping that it would. I have been waiting to see it parasound was going to catch up to Anthem in features.

The person that I was speaking to was very nice and also knowledgeable on processors. He ended up telling me that I better buy the Anthem AVM 30.

so Parasound is now acting lLike the Santa on Miracle on 34th St sending you down the street to the competition? I received an email from them last week that the upgrades would be posted on their site this week

oh well

THX game mode...absolutely yes

I had to call Parasound and find out what the update was all about. It isn't going to have bass management for the 7.1 analog inputs. It also isn't going to have a couple othe features that I was hoping that it would. I have been waiting to see it parasound was going to catch up to Anthem in features.

The person that I was speaking to was very nice and also knowledgeable on processors. He ended up telling me that I better buy the Anthem AVM 30.

Q-Man...I'll ask you a question.

Have you ever heard bass management from a prepro on 5.1/7.1 analog inputs that sounded good? Anthem sure doesn't and nor does anybody else in my opinion on bass managed analog inputs. It's nothing more than a band-aid and that's why Parasound is ignoring it. If you are that concerned for the niche medium like DVD-A and SACD, you should wait on HDMI from Parasound or Anthem. Then you will be able to realize the true glory of the format. Otherwise, I feel you are paying too much attention to the specs on paper and not taking the time to listen to the results. This is likely the reason the guys at Parasound suggested going down the street. Parasound is not a company concerned with keeping up with every little specification; rather they are concerned with pure sonic capabilities regardless of specs.

Q-Man...I'll ask you a question.

Have you ever heard bass management from a prepro on 5.1/7.1 analog inputs that sounded good? Anthem sure doesn't and nor does anybody else in my opinion on bass managed analog inputs. It's nothing more than a band-aid and that's why Parasound is ignoring it. If you are that concerned for the niche medium like DVD-A and SACD, you should wait on HDMI from Parasound or Anthem. Then you will be able to realize the true glory of the format. Otherwise, I feel you are paying too much attention to the specs on paper and not taking the time to listen to the results. This is likely the reason the guys at Parasound suggested going down the street. Parasound is not a company concerned with keeping up with every little specification; rather they are concerned with pure sonic capabilities regardless of specs.

Brent Huskins
Media Design

I couldnt have said it better Brent :T

Q-Man:

"The person that I was speaking to was very nice and also knowledgeable on processors. He ended up telling me that I better buy the Anthem AVM 30."

I can't even imagine why someone from Parasound would suggest you go with the Anthem AVM30 when Parasound has some of these very features in their new Classic-line SSP. If the 7100 is as competent sounding a piece as the Halo, I would look there, first...and then, probably fire the person who told you this.

You guys are killing me, I don't know what the heck to do. I want this pre pro to sonicly be the best sounding one that I can afford. You guys keep saying Parasound. I've been bouncing back and forth for a few months now. Yes, I listened to the Anthem, but only in a dealer showroom with BMW speakers. It didn't sound as good as my home system, but I blame that mostly on the BMW speakers. There isn't a Parasound dealer near me that has a showromm.

I almost broke down and ordered a C2 when they had a special price of $2,400.00 for one. So I read the Anthem and C2 manuals again and decided on the Anthem. Now both are coming out with updates at the same time, so I figured that I would at least wait and see what the C2 would now have to offer. The C2 is still behind the Anthem in features, and the Anthem is known to put out new updates every two to three months, where this is the first one for the C2.

I'm now thinking that I could use my Outlaw ICBM bass manager between my DVD players 5.1 analog outputs and the C2's inputs for bass management for SACD's and DVD-Audio. I like to crossover all my full range speakers to the sub at around 35 to 40Hz. It won't give me bass, treble, time delay, and DSP sound field options like the Anthem, but maybe it will be enought. Then again, maybe not. I'm sure all of you read the Sound & Vision magizine reveiw where they recomended the AVM30 over the C1.

Again, another maybe. If Parasound offers the C2 for $2,400.00 again maybe I'll try it at that price. I'll know in a couple of days if it's a keeper or not once I get it in my room. If I don't like it I can probably get about $2,200.00 of my money back on ebay.

1) I would actually feel less comfortable with a company that puts out updates every 2-3 months.

2) Do you mean B&W speakers? I've never heard of BMW speakers, unless you mean the stock ones in the cars.

3) If you don't think the C1/C2 sounds quite a bit better than the AVM30, you should just get the AVM30 because your ears can't tell the difference, but your pocketbook sure will. Why you didn't jump on the $2400 price offering is beyond me.

4) Nobody trusts Sound and Vision.

Sorry, I did mean B&W speakers. That's kind of funny.

Even if I get the C2, I'll never know if it sounds better then the AVM30 or not unless I don't like it and sell it and get the AVM30. The same goes if I buy the AVM30. If I don't like it I'm not going to keep it. I'm trying to save a lot of buying and selling and losing money, because I am fussy. I have no way to compare them before buying. If I did this would be easy. I just know what I expect it to sound like from trying some other gear in my room.

I see B stock C2's for sale from $2,400.00 to $2,700.00 every now and then. Then I too could go ebay or Audiogon to buy this, but I would rather not.

I'm glad to see so many people standing behind the Halo C1 & C2, but then I don't think any of you ever listened to the AVM 30 and had a chance to compare them.

how big can the differences be. If youre not happy with any of the above mentioned products, either from Parasound or Anthem, you need a new hobby, dont mean to offend.

Q-Man, are you the same Q-Man from the Klipsch forums?

[QUOTE=SpOoNmAn]how big can the differences be.

That's what I think, but there are a few people who are telling me about this difference and I might be making too much of it.

Q-Man, are you the same Q-Man from the Klipsch forums?

Yes I am. I'm the one who loves bass horns, but wasn't happy with the sound of the top end of the Klipschorns. I spent two years trying different midrange drivers and horn combinations, tweeters, and networks untill I made a speaker that to my ears has no equal. It was actually a fun project and had it's just rewards. I enjoy building horns. Then it took me a while to find the amps that I felt mated well with my speakers. They turned out to be McIntosh. The speakers and amps were a cost no object kind of thing, because they will last my lifetime. I feel different about AV/processors because they are now nothing but computers, and computers are obsolete the day after you buy them. So I don't want to spend a lot of money on someting that I will be changing out every 2 or 3 years.

I'm now designing a new room for a dedicated home theater. My current room has grown small after filling it with 10 fully loaded horn speakers.

Apparently the new software will be available to download from the Parasound website on Jan 15th.

Cool! Well welcome! The forum here isn't quite as lively in terms of sheer number of heads, but everyone more than makes up for it in quirkiness.

Now go an buy some Halo gear dammit. =)


Yes I am. I'm the one who loves bass horns, but wasn't happy with the sound of the top end of the Klipschorns. I spent two years trying different midrange drivers and horn combinations, tweeters, and networks untill I made a speaker that to my ears has no equal. It was actually a fun project and had it's just rewards. I enjoy building horns. Then it took me a while to find the amps that I felt mated well with my speakers. They turned out to be McIntosh. The speakers and amps were a cost no object kind of thing, because they will last my lifetime. I feel different about AV/processors because they are now nothing but computers, and computers are obsolete the day after you buy them. So I don't want to spend a lot of money on someting that I will be changing out every 2 or 3 years.

I'm now designing a new room for a dedicated home theater. My current room has grown small after filling it with 10 fully loaded horn speakers.

Rags
where did you hear January 15th and what will be available?

From a member on another forum who spoke with Parasound directly. All the new features mentioned in my post should become available in the new software release.

Personally what I am looking forward to is better dacs ets if this results in better sound quality / steering etc. The C2 is very good regardless but if these do improve things why not I suppose. There are a lot of variables but in terms of sheer processing power the C2 with its single Motorola 56367 and 96khz AKM dacs lags behing lags behind a lot of the competition. A single 56367 can do about 150 MIPS. The Meridian G series has 5 of them and the old 568.2 had 2 of them along with 2 56002's and 1 56007. The Lexicon MC8 uses 1 Crystal Semiconductors 49326 and 4 top end SHARCS. I can qoute a number of other processors that have more total MFLOPS / MIPS as well as employing 192KHz dacs.

Of course sound quality also depends on implementation and the C2 regardless of processing power does it rather well in my opinion.

Rags
where did you hear January 15th and what will be available?


That date is right...expect an official announcement from CES around the 7th and the actual release right after.

Brent Huskins
Media Design

Hmmm...interesting.

Spoonman...

I'm glad you deleted your previous comment...

Just because it is officially released next month doesn't mean you won't see the new software in your unit when it comes back in a week. Especially, if you spoke to Richard about it.

The software is ready...you can trust me ;)

The details of a simultaneous worldwide release takes careful planning and Parasound always tries to do things right. It makes sense to utilize CES as the launch platform as well.

Spoonman...

I'm glad you deleted your previous comment...

Just because it is officially released next month doesn't mean you won't see the new software in your unit when it comes back in a week. Especially, if you spoke to Richard about it.

The software is ready...you can trust me ;)

The details of a simultaneous worldwide release takes careful planning and Parasound always tries to do things right. It makes sense to utilize CES as the launch platform as well.

Brent Huskins
Media Design

:T

I didnt want to step on any toes. I have been assured I will have it returned with the updates, theyve never steered me wrong :P

Things are looking up in the Parasound world.

BTW, I'm a Klipsch man, too. Haven't been on the Klipsch forums for quite some time, though.

25 :rofl:... :cry:

So nobody has a clue what the hardware upgrades are going to be?

So nobody has a clue what the hardware upgrades are going to be?

No... My hopes are for a HALO DVD...

And mine are still for a girl in a cake...

About the Hardware Upgrade?... Would that include I-Link?

Im about to pull the trigger on an Integra Research RDC-7.1 and if the C2 got I-Link and the software upgrade I'd have another option.

The forthcoming C1/C2 hardware expansion will likely require a firmware update as well. Perhaps the firmware update coming on Jan 15 will reveal something about the hardware upgrade???

Personally, I am hoping for HDMI in/out. A high definition video and audio interface in a small package is perfectly suited to the tiny little slot that Parasound alotted to future upgrades.

Personally, I am hoping for HDMI in/out. A high definition video and audio interface in a small package is perfectly suited to the tiny little slot that Parasound alotted to future upgrades.

But why does this switching need to be built-in to the C1/C2?

Right now, HDMI switching is already possible with the use of an external switcher (http://www.pacificcable.com/Picture_Page.asp?DataName=HDS-21R) controlled through the RS-232 connector on the C1/C2. Or am I missing something? (When you change input, the C1/C2 notifies the switcher that the input changed and the switcher does its work). As far as I can see, the only advantage of having the video switching built-in is to avoid another external box...

Well, there is one advantage of having it built-in, and that is the on-screen-display (OSD) capability, assuming that OSD can be transposed on a HDMI signal...

But why does this switching need to be built-in to the C1/C2?

Right now, HDMI switching is already possible with the use of an external switcher (http://www.pacificcable.com/Picture_Page.asp?DataName=HDS-21R) controlled through the RS-232 connector on the C1/C2. Or am I missing something? (When you change input, the C1/C2 notifies the switcher that the input changed and the switcher does its work). As far as I can see, the only advantage of having the video switching built-in is to avoid another external box...

Well, there is one advantage of having it built-in, and that is the on-screen-display (OSD) capability, assuming that OSD can be transposed on a HDMI signal...

You make a good point regarding the external switch and the RS-232 interface. The other advantage that HDMI offers is that it carries digital multi-channel sound as well. The C1/C2 would process this sound and simply pass the video signal back out through the HDMI output. The end result would be less boxes and less wires -- both desirable in my book. I don't know about y'all but the back of my cabinet is rather messy with wires.

OSD on the HDMI output would be icing on the cake, but I'd be shocked to see it.

The other advantage that HDMI offers is that it carries digital multi-channel sound as well.

Oh! That was new to me. Thanks for pointing it out!

Peter

If HDMI carries digital multi-channel does that mean that you will now be able to use the processors bass management, time delay, bass and treble adjustments, and DSP's for SACD's and DVD-Audio?

Any processor with properly designed HMDI inputs will allow the above for PCM/DD/DTS. The problem is even the newest HDMI spec does not support SACD at all and support of DVD-A requires HDMI 1.1.

Well, I heard it from the horses mouth at CES today....

The software upgrade will now be in February. There was a bug in the software they caught at the last moment (fine by me that they caught it!) and it's causing the delay.

On an interesting note, it's going to be a hefty download. I was told, "It's going to take like 20 min via DSL for the download." On the up and up, you can call Parasound to request a CD to be delivered to your door.

You can also box up your Halo gear, send it in and have them do it, and while it's there, they will give your gear a once-over to make sure it is in tip-top shape. Did I say that it will cost you $200+ for that?

Interesting stuff. Dealers will be chiming in soon too as they were meeting with them at the show for other newsworthy info.

The software upgrade will now be in February. There was a bug in the software they caught at the last moment (fine by me that they caught it!) and it's causing the delay.

Why doesn't this surprise me? :tired: Same ol' story...new day. At this point, it's not even funny. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that there really isn't an upgrade and there never has been. How long have we been waiting for this upgrade now? :rant:

And what about all of those people out there waiting to see what this upgrade has before pulling the trigger to buy a competing product? If it were me, I'd buy the competing product after hearing this news. :M

If it were me, I'd buy the competing product after hearing this news.

I just did. Although I will probably get an A51 to go with it :D

Why doesn't this surprise me? :tired: Same ol' story...new day. At this point, it's not even funny. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that there really isn't an upgrade and there never has been. How long have we been waiting for this upgrade now? :rant:

I have to agree. I can't understand why they don't do many smaller updates instead of one big update. No matter how they test the software, they're not going to get all the bugs out! They might think they made it foolproof, but then along comes a smarter fool...

Making smaller and more frequent updates has many advantages. Since only a little is changed between releases, it is much easier to pinpoint new bugs. Also, if a bug is found, the frequent updates makes sure that nobody have to suffer with the buggy software for too long. (And you can always downgrade if the bug is too bad).

Alternatively they could offer two software releases for download: One "certified" stable release that contains no known bugs and a second release that is updated frequently and has the latest bells and whistles with the risk of being buggy.

Peter

Does anyone have the update even with the bugs in it?

Does anyone have the update even with the bugs in it?

I doubt that, and that is exactly Parasound's problem.

The best way to test software is to let a selected group of DIE-HARD fans give the software a real beating. With the importance of the Internet, these fans should be selected from groups like this. I can agree with that they should not be allowed to share info about the new version. However, they should loudly express that they do exist in order to bring high confidence in Parasound and their equipment...

I think Parasound's software department needs a new Chief Engineer! (Maybe I should volonteer :B)

Peter

I should be getting an email from Richard early in the week about my C2. They still have it and are waiting for the final version of the revisions. They are busy with CES I believe.

Parasound should run a beta scheme to dealers but are you sure they dont already? Anthem provide beta software to select beta users and so do Integra Research.

Assuming it does come in February as promised, can't we all relax? I mean February isn't THAT far away, right? After all, I understand the principle inherent in this issue, but come on guys, patience is a virtue. And all good things come to those who wait. Plus, haste makes waste.

Parasound should run a beta scheme to dealers but are you sure they dont already?

How useful is that??? Dealers don't have time to sit there tweaking the devices all day long. Their job is to sell, not to beta test...

Anthem provide beta software to select beta users and so do Integra Research.

That's the way to go!

Of course it is possible that Parasound does it too, but in this case I think somebody here would know about it...

Was there no mention of hardware updates? Halo DVD? etc. Seems like once again, Parasound had a pretty lackluster CES showing.

I have to say, their consumer expectation mangement has been dismal. If Anthem get their hardware upgrades in place this spring, this will be another Halo owner to goes to a competing product. The Integra RDC 7.1 is already an option.

Was there no mention of hardware updates? Halo DVD? etc. Seems like once again, Parasound had a pretty lackluster CES showing.



Were you at the show?

I'm having trouble finding any kind of comprehensive coverage of CES.

Know of any sites that have coverage of the Parasound stuff?

Guys,

Today while browsing AVS I came upon a thread that has me now wondering about the future prospects for upgrades regarding the Halo and their DSP Engine. Apparently, Motorola has been bought out by Freescale...and according to a couple of the posters over there, there is some concern for products still running on the Motorola platforms. Here's a snippet:

"Also depending upon who authored the native code/alogrithim has alot to do with its sonic performance. This is why Pioneer/Elite is the only primary brand still using the Motorola platform even though Pioneer brought this entire function in-house when Motorola shut down their software support group. This is precisely why the escoteric brands that stayed with Motorola like B&K, Parasound, Sunfire.. are now facing a very challenging dilemma....."

I don't know what this all means since Flextronics is responsible for putting the Halo platform together...perhaps they can do what Pioneer is doing. But it would seem that without software support from Motorola (Freescale) this could pose a problem for future upgrades. From what I understand, it is not easy to switch to another DSP brand without major changes to corresponding components. Can anyone else shine some light on this question since I've been hanging on to my C2 until after the upgrades?

This may explain Parasound's delay in upgrades. I would imagine that Parasound knew well before anyone of us, that this was going to happen. Probably put a crowbar in their wheel of progression.

I would imagine that Parasound has been working on the new direction they're taking. Would also explain the delays.

NMyTree- I was not at the show. Those comments were truly questions.

The Motorola support is just another nail in the coffin. Pretty soon this box will be shut for good!

However, as the eternal optimist....I'm waiting for Parasounds actual actions before 'calling it'!

Well, this thread has absolutely gone sour. :cry:

Could someone explain what the heck is going on? Are our C1's and C2's already out of date because some company got bought out? I bought the C1 because of its upgradability. If they don't upgrade it, that'll be two items that I bought with the understanding that upgrades would be coming.

Mitsubishi screwed us early adapters with no DVI input "promise" modules and now it sounds like Parasound, to no fault of their own, may not be upgrading our C1s and 2s?

:( :nonod: :huh: :blink: :unsure: :banghead: :nono: :scratchhead: :thud:

I don't know what's going on but I love that smiley face that "thuds" to the floor.

wow, I must be in the minority. I have never bought a piece and thought of its upgradeability at the time of purchase. Then again, I love the upgrade bug and just buy new toys.

the 7.5 of the Halos was enough for me. Ill be calling Richard tomorrow at Parasound to see whats up with this news. My C2 is still sitting there waiting for such an update. If its not happening, I want it back ASAP, using a receiver as a pre/pro is friggin torture!! :(

Guys...while it is true that Motorola got bought out, I haven't heard from the horses mouth if Freescale is going to hang anybody out to dry. According to those who were participating, it was only the "software" support they were taking about.

As many of you know, there are a several manufacturers who do write their own software. While I don't believe Parasound does this because of their limited resources, I do believe this is something that Flextronics does as they have a proprietary relationship with Parasound.

From what I gather by a cursory glance at the Freescale website, they don't seem to be making any "advertised" changes in Motorola's programs. After all, they did just bring out the new 56371 DSP engine (twice as powerful), which is suppose to be compatible with the 56367s layout. The question I have is will there be support beyond this to handle the new DD/DTS formats.

I don't know if I can get in trouble for this...but, you could pay a visit to AVS and jump in on that thread (Latest, Greatest, DSP) and see what a few of the experts (MCode, Gordon, etc) have to say about the future.

PS. Regardless what happens, this is not Parasound's fault. The Halo is still one of the most sonically superior SSPs out there...even after almost three years. I just looked at the AVM30s specs, and other than a few features they added, they are still using the same DSP, D/A and A/D converters as in the AVM20. And I'm still hanging on to my C2 (after getting a good deal on a Lex MC12B) just to see what this next upgrade brings.

PS. Regardless what happens, this is not Parasound's fault. The Halo is still one of the most sonically superior SSPs out there...even after almost three years. I just looked at the AVM30s specs, and other than a few features they added, they are still using the same DSP, D/A and A/D converters as in the AVM20.

Halo toys make me smile!

:T

Just got an email from a certain someone. The update is VERY near. Thats all I can say :)

I talked to someone from parasound on friday and they said that they were just fixing a bug and that after that it would be relased....which i hope means very soon :)

and

For all those waiting...we should see something very soon. The update was ready and then in the last hour Parasound found a bug that needed to be fixed before the eminent release… EHExpo is in 3 weeks in Long Beach...rumor has it something might show up there.

and

cough, cough, Dec. 15th, cough. The first software upgrade. That is the date Parasound is shooting for. It will be free and available from your dealer.

and

Upgrades for Halo (both software and hardware) are due very soon.

and

Also...December 15th is the target date for the DPLIIx software to be released...Please don't call Parasound to ask about it until after the 15th. This will let them hit their target. It will be posted on their website for all to download.

and

I stated in another post that today's release has been slightly delayed because of all the features being added. A couple more weeks is all, but it will be well worth it.

and

I received an email from them last week that the upgrades would be posted on their site this week

and

Apparently the new software will be available to download from the Parasound website on Jan 15th. (Source: “From a member on another forum who spoke with Parasound directly.”

Let’s hope so!!!

and

That date is right...expect an official announcement from CES around the 7th and the actual release right after.

and

The software is ready...you can trust me.
The details of a simultaneous worldwide release takes careful planning and Parasound always tries to do things right. It makes sense to utilize CES as the launch platform as well.

Well, I heard it from the horses mouth at CES today....

The software upgrade will now be in February. There was a bug in the software they caught at the last moment (fine by me that they caught it!) and it's causing the delay.

and finally,

Just got an email from a certain someone. The update is VERY near. Thats all I can say

And now my quote:
“I’ll believe it, when I see it.”

At this point, it’s nice that you folks “in-the-know” about things care to share, but I think we’ve had enough already. All credibility has been lost. I just checked the English dictionary: Appearently the work "Soon" means "Sometime is 2005." Here’s hoping the next post in this thread reads “The software is now available for download at…”

Your right Chetk this is getting onerous. Having ordered some new speakers today I am thinking of going the whole hog and jacking in my C2 and getting a Meridian G68J instead. Dearer but has a lot more processing power meridians legendary trifield mode and roof full digital room eq. Meridians upgrade history is also one of the best out there.

“I’ll believe it, when I see it.”

At this point, it’s nice that you folks “in-the-know” about things care to share, but I think we’ve had enough already. All credibility has been lost. I just checked the English dictionary: Appearently the work "Soon" means "Sometime is 2005." Here’s hoping the next post in this thread reads “The software is now available for download at…”

Having a bad hair day, huh??? :roll:

It's not a matter of lost credibility. The problem is that they are trying to fix EVERY single bug. This is NOT realistic, and will result in the problems we see now. Delay, after delay, after delay...

Obviously Parasound is not monitoring these forums. If they did, they probably would change strategy and provide a "public" beta and let everyone that dare have a good run down of the current existing software...

Where would Microsoft be if they had done like Parasound and kept stalling the release? I bet a million that Windows 95 would still not be ready... :B (For those that don't know: The inital release of Win 95 had TENS OF THOUSANDS of bugs. Still people were buying it like crazy... And some were even HAPPY with it :E )

Peter

Your right Chetk this is getting onerous. Having ordered some new speakers today I am thinking of going the whole hog and jacking in my C2 and getting a Meridian G68J instead. Dearer but has a lot more processing power meridians legendary trifield mode and roof full digital room eq. Meridians upgrade history is also one of the best out there.

Yeah. I would have gotten a Meridian too if I only had known they were that inexpensive... Somebody told me they were close to 20 grand, so I dismissed it without having a single look at it although I knew it is one of the best ones out there. Now I recently found out that the MSRP of the G68 starts below $6k... :confused:

Peter

I understand that Le Meridian are in trading difficulties. May explain the discounting. Be careful with any warranties.

Some of these feelings are exactly why Parasound doesn't make it public what they have in the works. Dealers know but Parasound asks that it not be made public (I work part time in HT and am a dealer). Shit happens. Some companies have no problem releasing buggy software (microsoft). Parasound's philosophy is different, they want it to work when released. They don't want to put crap in their product for the sake of keeping up with the Jones's. They really do try and make a sonically superior product first, which is why things like room correction or the latest formats are slow to come.
There's simply more to it than most consumers realize and it's not just Parasound (or Anthem or...), there are other vendors and programmers they have to wait on to get updates. Such is life! :) (all the above is of course, my opinion on things)

Brian,

I totally understand Parasound's stance. I understand that things happen. I know that's why they aren't public about release dates.

However, many people that I quoted above said that their source was Parasound themselves. If they really don't want to egg us on, don't even mention that upgrades are coming. Just surprise us one day with a really killer, bug-free update. Then, there won't be threads like this one where everybody thinks they know everything, when, in fact, it'll most likely change.

sorry dude, wasnt trying to "egg" you on. People know that my C2 is sitting at Parasound and Im in contact with them quite a bit.

Sorry for relaying information, it wont happen again.

Oh wait, yes it will :T

all this drama over keeping a C1 or C2 just because a little update hasnt hit yet is nonsense in my opinion. Either you like them or you dont.

By all means, go spend 6 grand on something better that gets upgrades on time as promised. :D

all this drama over keeping a C1 or C2 just because a little update hasnt hit yet is nonsense in my opinion. Either you like them or you dont.

By all means, go spend 6 grand on something better that gets upgrades on time as promised. :D

Amen, brotha.

sorry dude, wasnt trying to "egg" you on. People know that my C2 is sitting at Parasound and Im in contact with them quite a bit.

Sorry for relaying information, it wont happen again.

Oh wait, yes it will :T

all this drama over keeping a C1 or C2 just because a little update hasnt hit yet is nonsense in my opinion. Either you like them or you dont.

By all means, go spend 6 grand on something better that gets upgrades on time as promised. :D


I am not considering changing because of the upgrade problems. TBH the current list software updates don’t really interest me a whole lot - I was mainly hoping for hardware and other updates to improve sound quality further (its good anyway) like better DACS, Room EQ etc.

The Meridian is a better processor and so it should be given it lists at $9k. The room EQ feature really interests me as I understand the overall benefits that can be derived from it. Given its price tag it is not a competitor to the C2 and never will be - its just a case of me thinking about upgrading. For the money I think the C2 is unrivalled (after all I bought one!).

I understand that Le Meridian are in trading difficulties. May explain the discounting. Be careful with any warranties.


Big Chief Notea - Le Meridian is a hotel chain which as you correctly point out is in financial difficulty. Not sure what this has to do with Meridian Audio though who are the manufacturers of the G68 as well as a number of other high end audio products.

All right guys...I've been continuing the Parasound/Motorola/Flextronics issue alive over at AVS and I've come upon some info you may be interested in. According to Philip Brandes who supposedly spoke to an industry insider, Flextronics is getting out of the surround sound processor business.

While Philip still wants to classify this as rumor, I think it's time for someone (with connections) to get some straight answers from Parasound regarding the future of the Halo...or any of the other Motorola-based SSPs, like the new 7100.

Maybe I'm a little more paranoid than most, but I've have already been bit twice in a row with my Citation 7 followed by my Proceed AVP. Not that these (or the Parasound) will become obsolete (they are all still great products), but I would like the option of knowing what's going on so I can make a decision to stay or move on. Again...this is all second-hand talk, but I would like to here something from someone who has a connection with Parasound. Thanks

Flextronics is getting out of the surround sound processor business.

Normally I would dismiss comments like this, but I just stumbled on a guy auctioning off Parasound development items in Finland that took Goldear's comment to a whole new level:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14978&item=5744859888&rd=1

Check out the other items he's recently sold: Heavy duty laboratory equipment that could very well have been used in developing electronics like the Parasound controller.

Worrying, indeed... :confused: :cry:

Peter

Has anyone called them and talked to them?

<---Insert Jeopordy's "Final Jeopordy" theme music here--->

:tired: :Z

I'm not sure this really means anything.

Who knows why this guy is selling that equipment. It would be jumping to conclusions and a bit reactionary to automatically think the worst.

Tony, have you gotten everything and set it all up yet?

As you know I received my Halo A21 two Mondays ago. My Wharfedale Opus 2 also arrived this past Friday, at my dealers.

Unfortunately, we had a big scare this weekend (Saturday evening) when my back porch caught fire, as well as an area of about 8' x 12' ..... of the exterior wall( and vinyl-siding), and a very small area of the roof on that side. The firemen and now the "Point Of Orgin" Arson Expert say it started in our outdoor electrical outlet. A very scarey day for us.

Fortunately, no one was hurt. My son was not exposed to any smoke or anything else, as I was able to get him and the babysitter out of the house very quickly. The burn damage is isolated to the exterior of the house, along that back wall. Minimal smoke made it's way into the house and that was isolated to the kitchen and laundry room area. The soot is extremely minimal. We are very fortunate.

No smoke ever made it to any other rooms and all of our personal belongings....including all of my Audio/Video gear, were spared even the slightest of smoke or soot. None whatsoever.

Right now we are staying elsewhere until they (the Insurance company, Restoration contractors and so forth) get this all squared away and they do the work that needs to be done. The whole electrical system in the house needs to be inspected and changed. Half of the house has no electricity, as those circuit breakers are shut down. I can still work in my office, because it's on a different circuit line and it's not a problem/danger for me to be here. But I don't want my son here or us sleeping here till everything is fixed and all safe.

So in answering your question.......no. I don't have it all set up yet.

I may be able to pick up my Opus 2 this upcoming Saturday, depending on what progress is made between today and Friday, concerning the time-table of the work being done here; and if I have the time to get up to his place to pick them up. But right now we are all waiting on the Insurance company...to do their thing. So you know how that goes.

Things are a little hectic and stressful right now. But it will pass.

I Just got off the phone with Bob at Parasound (Tony/Richard wasn't there) and while Motorola has branched off to Freescale...and Flextronics is no longer making the platforms, Bob said that they do have another company that was associated with Flextronics still in the chain working with Freescale.

He also pointed out that while the 7100 still uses the same model number DSP (56367) as the Halo, it is a new, 6th generation processor with improvements. I asked about the upgrade and he still thinks it's slated for release by the end of the month. So far, so good.

Tony, I'm very sorry to hear all that had to happen to you. I'm glad you, your family, and all your belongings are safe and sound. Lucky you are, indeed. I guess this just goes to show that sh!t does happen to good people. But like you said, in good time, it'll pass.

Chris, that's good that Bob reassured you that the release is scheduled for the end of this month. Pessimistically speaking, that probably means mid-Feb to early-March. Odd that the Classic line's processor would have an improved DSP than the Halo.

All right guys...I've been continuing the Parasound/Motorola/Flextronics issue alive over at *** and I've come upon some info you may be interested in. According to Philip Brandes who supposedly spoke to an industry insider, Flextronics is getting out of the surround sound processor business.

While Philip still wants to classify this as rumor, I think it's time for someone (with connections) to get some straight answers from Parasound regarding the future of the Halo...or any of the other Motorola-based SSPs, like the new 7100.

Maybe I'm a little more paranoid than most, but I've have already been bit twice in a row with my Citation 7 followed by my Proceed AVP. Not that these (or the Parasound) will become obsolete (they are all still great products), but I would like the option of knowing what's going on so I can make a decision to stay or move on. Again...this is all second-hand talk, but I would like to here something from someone who has a connection with Parasound. Thanks

Around the first quarter of 2004 the A/V group at Flextronics spun off to form a new entity to solely focus on the A/V market. As many of you are aware, several companies used this group for design and development of high-end products over the last couple of years when it was a part of Flextronics. The new company is Vinci Labs. I'm not sure if they still have a loose relationship with Flextronics or not, but from everything I've personally heard about the change this is all for the better. This is mainly because the Halo project is a small project compared to something like the XBOX that Flextronics designed and builds. Where as with Vinci Labs, Parasound is one of their biggest clients (if not the biggest) because of all of Parasound’s new development projects they currently have in the works. This isn't speculation...this is what I've specifically heard. Vinci Labs is working with several other manufactures as well.

As far as the Motorola issue goes...The chips Parasound and many others are using have a very long life cycle ahead of them. There's a real likelihood that whatever is next after PLIIx will easily be handled by the Motorola chip as well.

Finally, those AVC-2500 parts on eBay actually came from a sub-contractor to Flextronics and the person selling them isn't the subcontractor either...just happens to be someone that stumbled on the parts and was looking to make a few bucks...good luck at getting $300 for misc. parts.

If anyone wants to get details about issues like this feel free to email me at huskins@charter.net or also feel free to email Paul at Parasound. His email is paul@parasound.com and he's the director of operations. I'm giving out this email address with his permission as well.

For further info, go to http://www.vincilabs.com/ where you can read about the transition from FlexTronics (sounds more like a rename rather than a split on the web site, I presume Brent has it right though) as well as get information about the two platforms; The Titan is obviously the basis for the C1/C2 (and shows Component Video transcoding, HDMI switching (Spring 2005), & future room correction as features that exist now (or just about now) in the platform that did not when the C1/C2 were produced). And the Sound1 is pretty obviously the 7100 platform.

So it looks to me that fear about the continuity of the platform should be quashed. :lol:

Thanks Brent and Mark....that's great news. I was actually reading a lot of the Flextronics news and they did appear to be going in a different direction...especially in the area of wireless communications and portable audio, cells and MP3/WMA, etc. I'm just glad someone else picked up the slack.

Is the current C1/C2 the Titan platform? If so, is the Generation 7 DSP decorder board a replacement of the existing C1/C2 board or an add on board? With the new Titan platform they talk of 10 channels. I count 8 (7.1) plus 4 programable channels. 10 vs. 12--how does this work? What Motorola processors does it use? Built in parametric eq.--Wow, this is pretty exciting. I hope it doesn't break the bank.

I wonder if the proposed "Room Correction" will be only for the sub frequencies or full range correction. I already have a BFD that does a fine job on the low end, I need midrange control or at least a few tone adjustments. Should we even ask about the release date for any of these software upgrades anymore? Seems like all we hear is tomorrow, next week, next month, soon. Guess I'll go back to working on my new center channel project and forget about any software upgrades, maybe this is like dating, as soon as you quit looking for it, something happens.

The update isn't ready. I requested my C2 be shipped back to me ASAP, I can no longer put up with this receiver as pre/pro to my halo amp. Its killing me my friends.

I have some interested buyers for the C2 so we will see what happens with that. If it sells, I get a C1. Why? why not, its a different toy and I want it :)

The Titan upgrade platform also includes a feature called High quality upsampling.
Any one with any ideas as to what that might mean

I'm guessing it's similar to Pioneer's Legato Pro Hi-Bit Upsampling.

The current Halo does have upsampling in the form of Stereo96, which upsamples 2 channels from 44.1/48 to 96khz. I would assume that any upgrade may impliment an all-channel upsample as some new SSPs seem to do that...even possibly to 192Khz.

"Is the current C1/C2 the Titan platform? If so, is the Generation 7 DSP decorder board a replacement of the existing C1/C2 board or an add on board?""

Yes, the current platform in the Halo is a Titan. From what I gather this platform...or more specifically, the DSP Freescale 56367 has gone through several incarnations. There also appears to be peripheral devices that can accompany this DSP to form the platform and add more flexibility.

I would assume that since the DPLIIx upgrade is a software revision, that some flexibility can be added by re-writing the system...while the more complex additions will require a board-swap to add the newest 56367 version and whatever peripheral devices needed to complete the platform.

""With the new Titan platform they talk of 10 channels. I count 8 (7.1) plus 4 programable channels. 10 vs. 12--how does this work? What Motorola processors does it use?""

They are still using the earlier 56367...but by the looks of the 7100, the newer 56367 will have much more flexibility. There is a lot of speculation about new channels...with Dolby + and HD-DTS talking about systems "capable" of handling 13 or more channels. Whether this comes to fruition is still pending since what they are really talking about is more bandwidth and higher bit-rates. And even then, it may need a highbandwidth transmission line like HDMI.

While the Halo and some other processors advertize 7.1/7.5/9 channels of sound, the fact is there is currently only the discrete 5.1 (or the few DTS 6.1) encoded systems for playback. The additional channels are simply matrixed/processed channels from the discrete originals.

While these additional channels are nice...especially the configurable ones in the Halo, the fact is there is barely software support for the extended channels that are available. I personally wouldn't mind a discrete 7.1 system with the remaining bandwidth used to improve the sonics on those.

Upsampling resamples or interpolates incoming digital bit rates from 44.1kHz or 48kHz to a higher rate, usually 96kHz or 192kHz. The C1/C2 already does this when in Stereo96 mode. Since the Titan indicates "192kHz DAC audio performance", I would assume that Stereo96 will now become Stereo192.

Did I just read room EQ ? :D

There is nothing AV wise I would love to have more than a C2 with room eq on board. Is this a realistic expectancy ?

Did I just read room EQ ? :D

There is nothing AV wise I would love to have more than a C2 with room eq on board. Is this a realistic expectancy ?

Yes, it is realistic. I asked Parasound to put it on their "wishlist" for the C2. In the e-mail reply I got from Richard Schram, he said something along the lines that it certainly is possible...

I'm guessing that they are going to implement it "right" with a fully automatic calibration too... :B

Peter

I have some interested buyers for the C2 so we will see what happens with that. If it sells, I get a C1. Why? why not, its a different toy and I want it :)
SpOoNmAn, stick with the C2. I think you'll be happier. The screen of the C1 actually makes it more difficult to read your settings. I have the C1 and I never pass video through the tiny screen. It stretches 16:9 into 4:3 and it makes it nearly impossible to read any OSD when it's overylayed on top of the video.

I can honestly say that I would be screwed if I hadn't have gotten LASIK a few years ago.

Of course, you could always have a separate screen set up with the output of the OSD from the C1, but that's a lot of trouble just to switch from the C2.

Unless you specifically need another component input, I'd stick to the C2.

Of course, you could always have a separate screen set up with the output of the OSD from the C1, but that's a lot of trouble just to switch from the C2.

Uh... What did you try to say, really? :?:

Why upgrade at all if you need a separate screen? The C2 and C1 will perform the same with a separate screen. The C1 is nothing but a C2 in a bigger box, a builtin 5" LCD hooked up directly to the OSD output and a third set of RGBHV inputs... Hook up an external LCD to the C1 and C2 and put some duct tape over the C1 LCD and the third set of RGBHV inputs. Now the units will perform 100% the same :??

In a different thread I also tried to tell spoonman that the C2 plus an external 17" LCD probably is nicer than the C1. A brand new 17" LCD costs $300 max. Why spend 2-3 times that amount to upgrade to the C1 and still need the external $300 LCD... :B

I just remembered that Spoonman said that he will get the C1 just for the joy(?) of upgrading... (Why not a set of JC1s instead? That would be money much more well spent!!! ;h)

Peter

Uh... What did you try to say, really? :?:

Why upgrade at all if you need a separate screen? The C2 and C1 will perform the same with a separate screen. The C1 is nothing but a C2 in a bigger box, a builtin 5" LCD hooked up directly to the OSD output and a third set of RGBHV inputs... Hook up an external LCD to the C1 and C2 and put some duct tape over the C1 LCD and the third set of RGBHV inputs. Now the units will perform 100% the same :??

In a different thread I also tried to tell spoonman that the C2 plus an external 17" LCD probably is nicer than the C1. A brand new 17" LCD costs $300 max. Why spend 2-3 times that amount to upgrade to the C1 and still need the external $300 LCD... :B

I just remembered that Spoonman said that he will get the C1 just for the joy(?) of upgrading... (Why not a set of JC1s instead? That would be money much more well spent!!! ;h)

Peter

ummmmmmm

I just went from the A52 to the A51 not even 2 weeks ago. Why is it so bad that I get the C1 and sell my C2 to someone really cheap so they can enjoy the wonders of Halo gear? :T

JC1's? thats 2 massive blocks for mains, and nothing that comes close to matching for center and surrounds, power wise. No its not needed to match, but I like to do things by the book.

My Powered deftechs dont need JC1's, holy hell the little A52 thrashed them about :E Thats a lot of $$ for 2 amps, then I'd need another amp for the rest of the speakers, Noooooooo thanks, Thats just insanity 8)

:B

hell, while were at it, how about 5 JC1's, yeah that sounds like a plan :lol:

5? Why stop there? One day I'll have 9 for my 9.1 setup!

The brothers do have a point though. Why upgrade from a C2 to a C1, when in actuality, it's more of a lateral movement? Unless the upgrade is purely aesthetic, which I can certainly understand. =)

5? Why stop there? One day I'll have 9 for my 9.1 setup!

The brothers do have a point though. Why upgrade from a C2 to a C1, when in actuality, it's more of a lateral movement? Unless the upgrade is purely aesthetic, which I can certainly understand. =)

purely :T and because I can :B

Why upgrade from a C2 to a C1, when in actuality, it's more of a lateral movement? Unless the upgrade is purely aesthetic, which I can certainly understand.

In my opinion that's an aesthetic downgrade. Sure enough, the C1 is the same height as my two JC1 and the A51. However, I still think the C2 looks better... I like the sleaker look of the C2 and I also think the C2 display is nicer and easier to read at a distance...

Each one to his own. (FWIW, the price difference between the C1 and C2 was $600 in my case. I did not feel that the C1 was worth that price difference...)

Peter

JC1's? thats 2 massive blocks for mains, and nothing that comes close to matching for center and surrounds, power wise. No its not needed to match, but I like to do things by the book.

What "book" is that? Most information I've come across put the emphasis on the front and center channel.

Personally, I prefer to have bigger fronts (stereo listening) and smaller speakers for the rest of the channels. The 7' tall Magnepan 20.1 (http://www.magnepan.com/spk_mg201.php) stretch from the bottom to the top of the room, which by the "book", is ideal. My surrounds, on the other hand, are the much smaller Magnepan CC3 (http://www.magnepan.com/rev_cc3.php) mounted 4' above ear level, again, by the "book"...

FWIW, I think using 3 pairs of the 20.1 Maggies would be kind of overkill, don't you think? :B The CC3 is IMHO perfect for surround, but a tad small for a center with the 20.1. Fortunately Magnepan has realized that too and will be releasing a brand new CC20.1 true ribbon center (http://www.ultraaudio.com/features/2005_01_06.htm) to match the 20.1s...

For a movie experience, the JC1s are maybe nothing but "two massive blocks", however, in STEREO listening they make a night-and-day difference in comparison to the A51...

Peter

so you want me to get 3 jc1's for front 3, and another halo 2 channel for surrounds, and when i get 7.1, another 2 channel Halo...yeah riiiiiiiight. Ill get on that ok? Muwhahaha

my A51 is powering nothing but 5" mids and tweeters in ALL speakers, nothing below 125Hz. I think its "good" enough" :T

so you want me to get 3 jc1's for front 3, and another halo 2 channel for surrounds, and when i get 7.1, another 2 channel Halo...yeah riiiiiiiight. Ill get on that ok? Muwhahaha

Maybe that's what your "book" setup requires -- but drop the 2 channel Halo! Of course you will need SEVEN JC1s for that "book" setup :B

Personally I think a pair of JC1 for the fronts and a single A51 for the rest of the channels (center/surrounds/rears) is perfect...

However, I've been playing with the idea of bi-amping the MG20.1s with 4 JC1s instead of just two :drool: But that's probably overkill... Got to stop before it goes too crazy :??

Anyway, to get back on topic: If I understand correctly, you don't have a 7 channel setup yet? I would spend the money on that instead of upgrading the C2 to a C1. With a lot of things going on at Parasound, now is probably not the best time to get the C1 (think about it - it's almost 2 years old!). Who knows, maybe Parasound soon releases a C1u that adds HDMI switching and other goodies?! Upgrading the processor is like upgrading your computer - the value will drop dramatically in a year or two! (That's why I suggested spending your money on upgrades that are holding their value better, such as getting power amps or speakers instead).

The bottom line is that my suggestion is to wait with the controller upgrade and put your money on something that doesn't drop in value overnight...

Peter

dont have the room for 7.1, fireplace 3ft to my right and listening position isnt centered. It would be setup incorrectly and I will not stand for that.

I think Ill buy a few C1's and take pics for you :)

I think Ill buy a few C1's and take pics for you

Good call! Maybe that will give Parasound an incentive to speed up software development :B (After all, it's the software that costs in the C1/C2. That's what we're paying for!)

Peter

SpOoNmAn must like for us to think he's rich.

I also think the C2 display is nicer and easier to read at a distance

It is...easier to read that is.

The C1 is nothing but a C2 in a bigger box, a builtin 5" LCD hooked up directly to the OSD output and a third set of RGBHV inputs.

I believe it also has a different power supply, but that is neither here nor there. Disclaimer: The preceeding "power supply info" was given to me by my Parasound authorized reseller. :B

If I was rich Id be buying all new Bryston gear, massive 7B SST monoblocks for every speaker. All while snapping pics of my 12 C1's Im buying just for Peters sake :lol:

oh wait thats next fall, I have a lot of riding to do this summer. :T

Move the fireplace, or crush it altogether, and set up that 7.1! If you're like me, the living room is designed around the home theater, not the other way around. :B

Move the fireplace, or crush it altogether, and set up that 7.1! If you're like me, the living room is designed around the home theater, not the other way around. :B

I am like you, but Im renting the house. Its set up the best way possible for the time being. 5 months left on the lease and I might be moving to Connecticut when its up. Whenever I get settled in(could be 10 years), I'll be making a seperate structure for a theatre.

I have too many hobbies and come warm weather, I wont be inside until fall again. I have a bike to ride. By the time cold weather returns, Im sure I will be once again changing out all components and getting different ones :T

Move the fireplace, or crush it altogether, and set up that 7.1! If you're like me, the living room is designed around the home theater, not the other way around. :B

Absolutely. Who needs fireplaces :B FWIW, I have a dedicated "media room" (16x24') for my gear. My living room has way too many windows to serve as home theatre... Having a separate room also has the nice bonus feature that whetever gear you'll get, the wife won't complain. Big plus :B

Peter

I believe it also has a different power supply, but that is neither here nor there. Disclaimer: The preceeding "power supply info" was given to me by my Parasound authorized reseller. :B

Ah, of course, that makes sense! The LCD needs some more juice...

Peter

I'm just wondering for you married guys, how you negotiate the "expendable income" which I assume, is normally reserved for anything you, your wife, or your kids want? Don't audio components tip the scales of spending heavily to your side? Doesn't that mean to even things up a bit, you owe her a (or several) pieces of diamond jewelry?

i don't tell my wife how much it costs :)

CaM

I'm just wondering for you married guys, how you negotiate the "expendable income" which I assume, is normally reserved for anything you, your wife, or your kids want? Don't audio components tip the scales of spending heavily to your side? Doesn't that mean to even things up a bit, you owe her a (or several) pieces of diamond jewelry?

No, I don't upgrade that often. My previous audio equipment was good for almost 20 years. Now it was time to upgrade. I plan on keeping my Maggies, the JC1s, A51, and T3 for 20 years. I will probably upgrade the C2 to a future model provided that Parasound keeps the visual appearance matching with the current Halo line. (The same goes for a future Parasound DVD).

Peter

It's easy, the expendable income is mine and whatever is left is hers. For awhile though, I thought my name had been changed to "Jerk". ;)

I'm just wondering for you married guys, how you negotiate the "expendable income" which I assume, is normally reserved for anything you, your wife, or your kids want? Don't audio components tip the scales of spending heavily to your side? Doesn't that mean to even things up a bit, you owe her a (or several) pieces of diamond jewelry?


I don't negotiate anything whenn it comes to my Audio gear. Nor do I tell her the cost. It's none of her business.

I'm the main money earner in the house, and the one supports this family. She works, but doesn't make much money.

I set my priorities. My son's health and welfare (as well as his college fund) comes first. Then, our bills, expenses and Savings. The audio gear comes last. I save for months and months...before plunking down for a few pieces of gear. It's a cycle......I save..save...save, then, I buy...buy..buy. Then the cycle repeats itself.

My family doesn't sacrifice anything or go without anything they need. Plus I still account for some of the other pleasures in life; going out to dinner, movies, vacations, day trips, and buying DVD movies, CDs and other stuff we may want. Of course, there has to be a balance and budget to spending and saving.

I pull more than my weight and fullfill my end of the responsibilities.

My yard is clean.

She has nothing to complain or bitch about :B

Wow, that's cool. I always thought (based on everyone on forums always talking about WAF) that wives knowing how much audio gear costs was part of the equation, along with what fits in the decor, what goes where, etc. But I guess I could liken this to my dad's passion, which is golf. He goes out and buys new clubs all the time, and he probably doesn't tell my mom every time he does. I think your guys' approach is what I want to take when I get married. And that is:

"it's none of her business." 8)

She has nothing to complain or bitch about :B

Make no mistake, the above is true. But that doesn't mean she doesn't try (complaining and bitching). Once in a while...she gives it shot. :B :E :B

I simply respond with "Shall we discuss the manner and wisdom you utilize when spending your check? "

That stops it dead in it's tracks.

I think it boils down to respect. I discuss every purchase decision with my wife. I'm building a new computer and I tell her when I'm buying and how much each component costs.

We budget EVERYTHING. We plan our income vs. our needs and wants. I paid off my $23,000 home theater in one year and didn't pay a penny of interest. We agreed that we would do without other things while paying it off to avoid the massive amout of interest that would have accrude.

Really, it's all about priorities. I take care of my wife. Anything she needs, she gets. I even enjoy showering her with things the "wants". But, I don't get things that I want if we can't afford them. It's a two way street.

Also, I highly recommend Quicken or MS Money to sync up your bank account and credit cards. I know exactly how much money I have (or don't have) on a daily basis.

You can't allow money to control you. You have to control your money.

One last note: Financial security is not based on how much you make, it's based on how much you spend.

It seems to me like a lot of people (not necessarily the members here, just in general) use the philosophy that whoever the main breadwinner is in the household, they automatically become "Man of the House."

It's a social phenomenon I learned in my sociology class. That's why a lot of the time, when women are the primary income providers in a household, the man is relegated (whether it's of his own voluntary desire or not) to do more of what is traditionally reserved for women homemakers do. That is, take care of the house, the kids, soccer practice, groceries, dinner, etc.

So it seems that along those lines, whoever brings in the dough is the one who gives orders, and whoever gives orders is the one who buys whatever they want. I really have no idea, I'm just asking, since this is very interesting and somewhere down the road, perhaps in 6 years, I'll be getting married, and I'd like to know what is generally the accepted practice.

Unless, of course, it's simply a matter of "to each his own," and/or respect, as chetk said.

This is all a very nice discourse on the sociological aspects of marriage and personal respect, but can we please return this thread to the issue of software update issues with the Halo controller? I subscribed to this thread so I will be aware of the latest information about the upgrades, not so I will be immediately notified about someone's philosophy on the give and take of marriage. Please, can we return to the original subject of this thread?

This is all a very nice discourse on the sociological aspects of marriage and personal respect, but can we please return this thread to the issue of software update issues with the Halo controller? I subscribed to this thread so I will be aware of the latest information about the upgrades, not so I will be immediately notified about someone's philosophy on the give and take of marriage. Please, can we return to the original subject of this thread?

Yeah, WTF is the update? :B

Well considering the update is constantly being delayed, I don't see the harm in killing time by discussing other subjects that are interesting and relevant to all humans. For now, just delete the email notifications you receive if it bothers you so.

Ah... yeah, I don't mind a bit of off-topic stuff here in our club, guys. That's fine, but I would prefer that it be done in a non-sticky topic so that I can put these few sticky topics at the top of our club and keep them for important info.

Don't forget, there's lots of other sub-forums here on HT Guide, including one for off-topic discussion!

Back on track here...

So, how about that update that was due back in Nov...I mean...um...Dec...or...uh...actually I think it was Jan...?

Yeah, let's keep talking about how the release date keeps getting pushed back. That's super important and interesting.

But I digress. Although I participated in the off-topic discussion, I actually agree that we should try to stay on topic. :B

With HD (BR) DVD just around the corner the HDMI switching issue will be even more important to me, hope they are still planning a hardware upgrade before my Halo biodegrades back to whatever it was before. There is talk of possibly 8 discreet audio channels on some future BR DVD’s, possibly 2 ch dedicated for tactile transducers maybe even a special channel for one of those motion simulators. I really hate the idea of re buying all my movies yet again, but I would rally hate the idea that my newly acquired psuto-upgradeable processor cant handle the new equipment coming out later this year. I sure would like to see a SDI mod or addition to the C2

I called Parasound today to ask a couple of questions. There will not be a hardware update. Just a down loadable software update in a couple of weeks.

I called Parasound today to ask a couple of questions. There will not be a hardware update. Just a down loadable software update in a couple of weeks.

Not a hardware update in a couple of weeks, or not a hardware update ever ?

forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever

Are you being serious? Will Parasound never release a hardware update for the C2 or the C1 or is it still unknown?

Still unknown. I think? Hopefully Brent can get back to us on this soon. Sorry, I was being stupid. Trying to bring a moment of levity to our dark, heavy, somber days of waiting.

Well, I also work (part-time) for a Halo dealer and have talked to Parasound and can say that what they have told me as a dealer is opposite of what Q-man was told.
If Parasound wanted the hardware upgrades they are working on public, I'm sure they'd post them on their site. They aren't going to just tell every Tom, Dick and Harry that calls what they have up their sleeve. ;)
Hopefully Brent will chime in and confirm as well.

Is there an exact date yet of the new firmware release or is it still just "weeks" from today?

weeks, no set date

I would say that it could be as close as a week away. I'll put it this way...the testing I've completed over the past couple of days has shown ZERO flaws...I'll keep everyone posted, but I could see it happening very, very soon.

It's now a matter of which day in the next week or so vs. how many weeks from now.

Everybody hang tight a couple more days and we'll get this update behind us.

Brent Huskins
Media Design

I would say that it could be as close as a week away. I'll put it this way...the testing I've completed over the past couple of days has shown ZERO flaws...I'll keep everyone posted, but I could see it happening very, very soon.

It's now a matter of which day in the next week or so vs. how many weeks from now.

Everybody hang tight a couple more days and we'll get this update behind us.

Brent Huskins
Media Design

A couple of days ?... :P I wish you 'll be right :)
the hardware upgrade will be announced later ?

thanks

I'll know more by midweek, but it should be doable.

Expect hardware announcements in March...just like all the other companies are now saying. HDMI is still being ironed out...

Well yeah, now we have new announcements in the A/V community like SACD possibly transmitting over HDMI, firewire, or proprietary conenctions. We'll see if Parasound wants to get on the bandwagon.

Of course, at some point a company has to say "hey, we're going with the technology upgrades that are available today, not wait for the next thing to come out tomorrow".

If the Halo (and many other SSPs) is going to stay relevant, I would hope that the hardware upgrade include HDMI. While I'm not really concerned with it for video-switching, the talk of HDMI "possibly" being the choice for DD+, HD-DTS and any other high-rez audio transmission is what concerns me. One of the problems with digital fiber optic or coaxial interfaces has always been that they are bandwidth limited...even with regards to 24/96khz material.

One of the problems with digital fiber optic or coaxial interfaces has always been that they are bandwidth limited...even with regards to 24/96khz material.

The problem is neither the digital fiber optic or coaxial interfaces per se. The problem is the current standard for these interfaces. It's easy to do a 10 time or even 100 time faster optical interface. However, then it's of course not compatible with old standards any more... Same thing with the coaxial, with the exception that the RCA connector really is limiting. Replace it with a decent connector (e.g. BNC), and it can easily be made faster by magnitudes, albeit breaking current standards...

Peter

That's what I'm talking about...as standards stand today. When 24/96 was the big craze a few years ago, several AES recording engineers were wondering why everyone was in such a hurry to run out and get these 24/96 players when people were still limited by the interface. When I emailed Mike Rivers, who was a part of AES, he sent me back this statement:

"You can pass 24-bit data through the S/PDIF interface, but not 96 kHz sample rate. On the "pro" side, where the AES/EBU digital interface is the norm, there are the same problems, and the pro manufacturers have taken two different app