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  • fredflinstone
    Junior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 22

    Surround sound for CM1s

    I have a pair of CM1 as front and Energy as center channel. I want a cheaper alternative as my surround.
    Can I get S-1 synergy from Klipsch? Would that match the sonic frequencies?
  • stuofsci02
    Super Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 1241

    #2
    You might want to consider a British Speaker for best matching.. I would recommend something from the Tannoy Mercury Line... I use the Mercury F1's
    Main System:
    B&W 801D
    Emotiva USP-1 Pre-Amp
    Chord SPM-650 Stereo Amp
    Oppo BDP-105
    Squeezebox Touch


    Second System:
    B&W CM7
    Emotiva UMC-1
    Emotiva UPA-2
    Oppo BDP-83SE
    Grant Fidelity DAC-09

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    • fredflinstone
      Junior Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 22

      #3
      Can I go with M-1s? But I want to keep the budget to a minimum. Am I loosing a lot by going with Klipsch?

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      • hifiguymi
        Super Senior Member
        • Mar 2007
        • 1532

        #4
        The M1 would work fine. If you have the space, I'd do a pair of 686 instead. The retail price is only $30.00US different and I think it would match better.

        I think the Klipsch would work but since it's such a different sound, it may not integrate as well. Having speakers that are from the same manufacturer, and close in series, will give you a much more convincing soundfield.

        I'd recommend getting the CMC at some point as well. I think you'd like that better with the CM1 than an Energy center channel. The front soundstage would be more integrated.

        Eric

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        • fredflinstone
          Junior Member
          • Nov 2009
          • 22

          #5
          How much of a vocal imbalance would the klipsch be?I am planning to get a CM center at some point when I can afford. but the surround seems more important.

          I dont have space for a 686 or any 600 series thats why I was looking at M-1s. I am US is there a good place to look for used ones?

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          • hifiguymi
            Super Senior Member
            • Mar 2007
            • 1532

            #6
            AudiogoN is the best place to look for well treated used gear. M1s are going to be rare on that site however. I don't know if I've ever come across a pair on AudiogoN.

            You should stick with the same brand. No only will the timbre be different, with the Klipsch the sensitivity will probably be very different (the Klipsch being higher). Even though surround receivers have channel level controls, a large sensitivity difference leaves less room for correction especially with the rears typically being closer to begin with.

            Eric

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            • Industrial
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2009
              • 213

              #7
              Originally posted by fredflinstone
              Can I go with M-1s? But I want to keep the budget to a minimum. Am I loosing a lot by going with Klipsch?
              B&W M1's are pretty decent. I went in to a buy a pair and then saw the the 686's for like $40 more. I got to test both, I actually like the M1's really good sound for such a small speaker. The 686's had a fuller sound and more bass however. I ended up getting the 686's. Its a shame the M1 stand cost so much because they are petty cool looking. You could just wall mount them tho.

              Oh and I'm using CM1's in the front with a CMC.

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              • stuofsci02
                Super Senior Member
                • Nov 2009
                • 1241

                #8
                Originally posted by fredflinstone
                How much of a vocal imbalance would the klipsch be?I am planning to get a CM center at some point when I can afford. but the surround seems more important.

                I dont have space for a 686 or any 600 series thats why I was looking at M-1s. I am US is there a good place to look for used ones?
                Seriously though.. Have a look at the Tannoy Mercury F1. I have the same type of space problem as you do. I have never heard a better speaker then these for the size.. I got mine for $199...

                Main System:
                B&W 801D
                Emotiva USP-1 Pre-Amp
                Chord SPM-650 Stereo Amp
                Oppo BDP-105
                Squeezebox Touch


                Second System:
                B&W CM7
                Emotiva UMC-1
                Emotiva UPA-2
                Oppo BDP-83SE
                Grant Fidelity DAC-09

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                • fredflinstone
                  Junior Member
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 22

                  #9
                  I dont have enough space for 686 or for F-1. But I understand they are quite good from reviews. I went to the store to look for some speaker wires, heard them all and Cm series, and thought I should get them and got it.

                  But that hurt my budget and I currently have a 3.1 system. I want a 5.1 to get much fuller sound for a 5-ch stereo.
                  I have space for a S-1 or a M-1. But M-1 is quite expensive so want to know if there is a cheaper alternative without breaking my budget.

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                  • stuofsci02
                    Super Senior Member
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 1241

                    #10
                    What size speaker can you fit? This space constrait seems to really be limiting your options.. If the F1 doesn't fit and is only 2" bigger then the M1 I guess we need a better handle on where you are putting them.
                    Main System:
                    B&W 801D
                    Emotiva USP-1 Pre-Amp
                    Chord SPM-650 Stereo Amp
                    Oppo BDP-105
                    Squeezebox Touch


                    Second System:
                    B&W CM7
                    Emotiva UMC-1
                    Emotiva UPA-2
                    Oppo BDP-83SE
                    Grant Fidelity DAC-09

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                    • fredflinstone
                      Junior Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 22

                      #11
                      F1 is very hard to get in US and also little expensive. If I am moving from B7W, I might as well move to a different brand thats cheaper. I want to know if I can get a little cheaper surround sound speakers similar to B&W and also doesnt break my wallet.

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                      • stuofsci02
                        Super Senior Member
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 1241

                        #12
                        Originally posted by fredflinstone
                        F1 is very hard to get in US and also little expensive. If I am moving from B7W, I might as well move to a different brand thats cheaper. I want to know if I can get a little cheaper surround sound speakers similar to B&W and also doesnt break my wallet.
                        What is your price range?
                        Main System:
                        B&W 801D
                        Emotiva USP-1 Pre-Amp
                        Chord SPM-650 Stereo Amp
                        Oppo BDP-105
                        Squeezebox Touch


                        Second System:
                        B&W CM7
                        Emotiva UMC-1
                        Emotiva UPA-2
                        Oppo BDP-83SE
                        Grant Fidelity DAC-09

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                        • fredflinstone
                          Junior Member
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 22

                          #13
                          My price range is <250 for a pair if possible.

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                          • ryan.devry
                            Member
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 60

                            #14
                            I thought about picking a set of these up for my garage...Aperion Intimus 4B



                            I've never listened too these myself, but heard good things. Don't know how well they will match up with what you currently have. (Sound, coloration, looks)... I would tend to stick with something in the same B&W series if at all possible, even if that meant I had to save up for a while.......In the end it will pay off better IMO.


                            Or you can always lurk on audiogon for just about anything.......

                            Good Luck,
                            Ryan
                            -------------------------

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                            • stuofsci02
                              Super Senior Member
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 1241

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ryan.devry
                              I would tend to stick with something in the same B&W series if at all possible, even if that meant I had to save up for a while.......In the end it will pay off better IMO.
                              Absolutely good advice.....
                              Main System:
                              B&W 801D
                              Emotiva USP-1 Pre-Amp
                              Chord SPM-650 Stereo Amp
                              Oppo BDP-105
                              Squeezebox Touch


                              Second System:
                              B&W CM7
                              Emotiva UMC-1
                              Emotiva UPA-2
                              Oppo BDP-83SE
                              Grant Fidelity DAC-09

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                              • fredflinstone
                                Junior Member
                                • Nov 2009
                                • 22

                                #16
                                Maybe a bad question but would bose 161 cut in for rear surround speakers till I get some M-1 for rears? They cost only 160/pair. Would it be better than Klipsch s-1

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                                • fredflinstone
                                  Junior Member
                                  • Nov 2009
                                  • 22

                                  #17
                                  anyone?

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                                  • ryan.devry
                                    Member
                                    • Apr 2008
                                    • 60

                                    #18
                                    Haven't heard either one can't really say...I know it is beating a dead horse but if you are able to listen to them (Probably at a local best buy)......You be the judge......Or is it the size of the speaker that you are really looking/questioning?
                                    Ryan
                                    -------------------------

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                                    • kmcheng
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Jan 2008
                                      • 253

                                      #19
                                      Bose would not cut it. Performace-wise it is not in the same league. More importantly, the timbre would not match, and you will readily notice the mismatch.

                                      My suggestion is to wait for funds to catch up until you can afford another pair of B&W. You save money by not buying speakers you eventually need to sell. For your purpose, a used pair of CM-1 would be ideal. I know you mentioned that your physical space is confined. Let me suggest that you look at your space again. I had the same space "constraint" before, but I got creative and convinced my wife that we have the space for two giant floorstanding speakers.

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                                      • fredflinstone
                                        Junior Member
                                        • Nov 2009
                                        • 22

                                        #20
                                        I am under the assumption that these surround speakers are used only for movie effects. I am not going to be listening to them for music. Thats the reason I wanted a placeholder till I get the cash for surroudn sound.

                                        As mentioned, I dont have a CM central speakers. So I would get that first and then the surround. So Its going to be a while before I can get something from B&W. I just want some movie speakers for now.
                                        Please advice.

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                                        • stuofsci02
                                          Super Senior Member
                                          • Nov 2009
                                          • 1241

                                          #21
                                          I don't think you are going to get any answers that you are looking for. Given the size and price point of what you are looking for, you are not going to get a match. In fact it will be unlikely to even get a half decent speaker given the criteria.

                                          I understand what you are trying to do, and appreciate that money doesn't grow on trees. If I were in your position I would probably downmix everything to stereo and send to your quality speakers until you can add the speakers you really want and just save your money.

                                          If you really need to hear sound from behind, then you'll obviously have to sacrafice on sound quality and matching and probably just pick something up at best buy.
                                          Main System:
                                          B&W 801D
                                          Emotiva USP-1 Pre-Amp
                                          Chord SPM-650 Stereo Amp
                                          Oppo BDP-105
                                          Squeezebox Touch


                                          Second System:
                                          B&W CM7
                                          Emotiva UMC-1
                                          Emotiva UPA-2
                                          Oppo BDP-83SE
                                          Grant Fidelity DAC-09

                                          Comment

                                          • omar7631
                                            Member
                                            • Sep 2009
                                            • 39

                                            #22
                                            I had this setup for awhile and needed some nice looking and cheap surrounds, and that sounded similar to my b&w so I tried klipsch, polk, and then I come across some sony speakers and they blended perfectly.


                                            Here is the link:
                                            dont be fooled by the price they sounded very good as surrounds.
                                            they even blended with my 800 series.
                                            B&W 804s
                                            B&W htm3s
                                            B&W dm601 s3
                                            Outlaw lfm-1 EX x 2
                                            Denon 2808ci
                                            Emotiva XPA-5
                                            Emotiva XPA-2
                                            Sony PS3

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                                            • fredflinstone
                                              Junior Member
                                              • Nov 2009
                                              • 22

                                              #23
                                              I bought these and they fit just fine. Think the treble is little higher than the Bass but overall it solves the purpose. Thanks.

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