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  • style
    Super Senior Member
    • Feb 2006
    • 1562

    New B&W serie 800 !!!

    Hallo,
    I spoked with B&W/Classe Switzerland about a pair of 802d but with big surprise .....well in 2010 with come out with the complety NEW series from the Nautilus line!!

    New electronics inside, new design, new ALL!!!!

    Wait and buy a 802 or big with a good price? or the newcomer will be so amazing that the "old" Nautilus don't can is at the same level?
    What is sure the new B&W are in test "at home from B&W", sure that the price go up. :cry:

    I have a 803D and I have a 802D in my head for the front and go with the 803 to the rear but now???

    at the cedia a brocoure will be available and in the second half from the 2010 we go see.......

    Style
  • SoundEngine355
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2008
    • 313

    #2
    Originally posted by style
    Hallo,
    I spoked with B&W/Classe Switzerland about a pair of 802d but with big surprise .....well in 2010 with come out with the complety NEW series from the Nautilus line!!

    New electronics inside, new design, new ALL!!!!

    Wait and buy a 802 or big with a good price? or the newcomer will be so amazing that the "old" Nautilus don't can is at the same level?
    What is sure the new B&W are in test "at home from B&W", sure that the price go up. :cry:

    I have a 803D and I have a 802D in my head for the front and go with the 803 to the rear but now???

    at the cedia a brocoure will be available and in the second half from the 2010 we go see.......

    Style
    Typical, just as I purchase the 800D's a new model comes out... oh well.
    SoundEngine355

    -------------------
    [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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    • 1oldguy
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2008
      • 459

      #3
      Hi Style

      If your interested I am selling my speakers.The 802D have only 14 hours on them.
      The 803D haven't even been hooked up.Unexpectedly I am in a place that is much to small for the gear i have and with people living above me makes for a real hindrance.
      I am selling the 802D at list and throwing in the 803D at no extra charge.The buyer to pay for shipping.These are in mint mint mint condition.
      Last edited by 1oldguy; 07 September 2009, 11:56 Monday.
      A Man should never Gamble more than he can stand to loose.

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      • emig5m
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2008
        • 646

        #4
        Interesting, but I'm so happy with my current 800's I could just about care less.....

        Originally posted by SoundEngine355
        Typical, just as I purchase the 800D's a new model comes out... oh well.
        Heh... I just got a set of brand new 804S's and my HTM3S should be in tomorrow. I'm not too worried about the new lineup because 1) I'm 100% satisfied with the 804S, they're exactly everything I ever wanted in a speaker... and 2) I got such a good discount that I got brand new speakers out the door for not much more than what they're selling used on Audiogon. :T (I had a 'hint' new speakers would be arriving soon with the huge discount I got).

        I couldn't get any sellers on Audiogon to budge on their asking price and I got brand new freshly ordered from the factory with warranty for only a few hundred more... Assuming a new lineup will also drive the prices up and dealers probably wont be willing to give too much of a discount on a brand new lineup, I think on the other hand I actually bought at the perfect time other than at a bad time. My personal spending limit is what I paid for the current 800's and I wouldn't push myself over my spending comfort zone any which way you look at it. So it's all good, everything worked out just right for me.

        Now that I'm a huge B&W fan, it will be interesting of what's in store, but if I could do it all over again, I'd still get my 804S's right NOW....they're that good! They're everything I ever wanted out of a speaker... :T

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        • Chucka
          Junior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 28

          #5
          Any indication if this new line will be at CEDIA in Atlanta?

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          • 1oldguy
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2008
            • 459

            #6
            Wondering how to insert a picture.Any ideas?
            A Man should never Gamble more than he can stand to loose.

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            • htsteve
              Super Senior Member
              • Sep 2004
              • 1216

              #7
              Originally posted by 1oldguy
              Wondering how to insert a picture.Any ideas?

              When posting, there is a 'manage attachments' button towards the bottom.
              Click on that and attach your pictures.

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              • ninja12
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2007
                • 181

                #8
                Does anyone know if they will be upgrading or replacing the HTM1D?

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                • style
                  Super Senior Member
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 1562

                  #9
                  Hi,

                  if a little consumer like have this Info from Classe sure you dont' go have the new collection "only for my eye's :B

                  What is sure is that the new Nautilus in made. B&W wait the right moment to go in the market with this new "product"
                  @emig5m: I'm a B&W fan too but don't forget!! with HighEnd never say never!!
                  I have had from the 705 to the 803D (with al the 2 woofer, the s the D and all what do you will..)
                  Hey, the new Nautilus can to by not what we search!!! sure at the fisrt presentation you can find 2 people: 1. Great speaker I want have at home..2. Noooo, I love my 80xxxd/s and I don't go change my lovely s or d that stay in my room...

                  @Chucka with the first Classe CT presentation a brouchere from the new speaker and a topmodel will be present.

                  Wenn my friend from Classe come the my house for the SSP800 upgrade I "search" (007 in action :B ) new infos.

                  Style

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                  • Nolan B
                    Super Senior Member
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 1792

                    #10
                    I sure hope they make an improvement to the looks of the current 800 series. They are looking a little outdated.

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                    • beden1
                      Super Senior Member
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 1676

                      #11
                      A B&W dealer in Florida told me last year that he was informed by a friend of his at B&W headquarters, that the 800 Series was going to be revamped. He said they were going to be made in aluminum like the XT Series and the Signature Series.

                      Supposedly, they will be have much less vibrations or distortions caused by the current wood cabinets. I said that I doubt any "vibrations" would be too audible, and he agreed with me. But, he also said that the wood cabinets were too labor intensive and their cost to manufacture was becoming prohibitive. All this, and he then said he was told that the cost would be considerably higher, due to the high cost of manufacturing them in aluminum! :huh:

                      Go figure, but I guess what comes around goes around? He also thought the cabinets will be made in China!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :E

                      Where are the XT Series cabinets made now, and where were the Signature Series cabinets made?

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                      • aarsoe
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2004
                        • 795

                        #12
                        Well if the cabinets will be made in China then I, as a Dane, will be sad as the current 800 series cabinets are made in Denmark..

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                        • beden1
                          Super Senior Member
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 1676

                          #13
                          Originally posted by aarsoe
                          Well if the cabinets will be made in China then I, as a Dane, will be sad as the current 800 series cabinets are made in Denmark..
                          I agree with you 100%! :T

                          China and quality don't ever seem to go hand-in-hand!

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                          • style
                            Super Senior Member
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 1562

                            #14
                            Hallo beden1,

                            that's right!! from what I was a modell called B&W9004 is very, very similar at the Signature 40th.!!!!!
                            in alu but in donnt know of is made in in China or where.......

                            Like wrote we can have a bad surprise...in place from the lovely wood cabinet wy go have a new serie very similar at the Signature 40th. !!!!!

                            this black "steel/alu" cabinet can be a prototyp or the line of the new Nautilse......
                            if will be so the 802 and up going sold in very fast time!!!

                            Style

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                            • JargonGR
                              Member
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 95

                              #15
                              Ah the hell with it! I will just sit and enjoy my 800Ds I bought last year and will block the B&W site from displaying in all my PCs! No way I am killing my speakers to buy the new ones.

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                              • emig5m
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2008
                                • 646

                                #16
                                Made in China? For the price, are you kidding me? One thing I like about the current 800's is that they're NOT made in China.

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                                • beden1
                                  Super Senior Member
                                  • Oct 2006
                                  • 1676

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by emig5m
                                  Made in China? For the price, are you kidding me? One thing I like about the current 800's is that they're NOT made in China.
                                  I don't know if the dealer was correct in his assumption that they would be made in China. I would imagine they will be made where they produced the Signature Diamond speaker cabinets.

                                  Does anyone know where these were made?

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                                  • Nolan B
                                    Super Senior Member
                                    • Sep 2005
                                    • 1792

                                    #18
                                    Lets see..

                                    I am in the market for a re-design 800 series without question. Having said that I wont even consider paying top dollar if they are made in china.

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                                    • ChrisssB
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Feb 2006
                                      • 153

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by style
                                      ..................................

                                      Wait and buy a 802 or big with a good price? or the newcomer will be so amazing that the "old" Nautilus don't can is at the same level?What is sure the new B&W are in test "at home from B&W", sure that the price go up. :cry:

                                      I have a 803D and I have a 802D in my head for the front and go with the 803 to the rear but now???

                                      ........................................

                                      Style
                                      Well mate, one could do as he pleases, but be sure for one thing:
                                      they are going to be on the same level!
                                      With this, I don't mean that there wont be any improvements, there will be, but when we are talking about speakers of quality like 802D (or 803D) the improvements are going to be minor as always is happening with hi-end (be it speakers, amps etc.)
                                      Does anyone here truly believes that ,lets say 801N, isn't a hi end speaker of great quality because it was replaced by 801D?



                                      Chris

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                                      • bigburner
                                        Super Senior Member
                                        • May 2005
                                        • 2649

                                        #20
                                        This is wonderful news because the price of the 802D and 803D will probably drop and I won't need to sell one of my children to get a pair!

                                        Seriously though, things aren't that tight but the prices here in New Zealand are hard to justify when my current (modest) system sounds so damn good.

                                        1oldguy, if I lived in your part of the world I think I'd be paying you a visit. That's a wonderful deal you're offering.

                                        Nigel.

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                                        • sikoniko
                                          Super Senior Member
                                          • Aug 2003
                                          • 2299

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by aarsoe
                                          Well if the cabinets will be made in China then I, as a Dane, will be sad as the current 800 series cabinets are made in Denmark..
                                          They just built that plant. I find it hard to believe that they would abandon it already.
                                          I'm just sittin here watchin the wheels go round and round...

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                                          • scanido
                                            Senior Member
                                            • Apr 2006
                                            • 548

                                            #22
                                            My wish is that they developed a speaker the size of the 803S with the diamond tweeter.

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                                            • aarsoe
                                              Senior Member
                                              • May 2004
                                              • 795

                                              #23
                                              In reference to the plant - the cabinet maker in Denmark is not owned by B&W, but is in fact a furniture factory. They are one of the extremely few who can really bend wood into any shape or form - hence the cost associated.
                                              But before we all go and kill our self, lets remember that Krell made really good speakers using aluminum and even though I love my 802Ds I would not be against a smaller cabinet making them more pleasing to the eye and more importantly to my wife's eyes..

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                                              • 1oldguy
                                                Senior Member
                                                • Dec 2008
                                                • 459

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by bigburner
                                                This is wonderful news because the price of the 802D and 803D will probably drop and I won't need to sell one of my children to get a pair!

                                                Seriously though, things aren't that tight but the prices here in New Zealand are hard to justify when my current (modest) system sounds so damn good.

                                                1oldguy, if I lived in your part of the world I think I'd be paying you a visit. That's a wonderful deal you're offering.

                                                Nigel.

                                                Thank You......N. You would be very welcome anytime for a spot of tea as they say here in Newfoundland.

                                                For the record since I've been getting alot of questions about the actual Price.
                                                I will be selling both the 802D and the 803D For $14,000.00 for all 4 speakers Plus Shipping on the buyers part.
                                                Last edited by 1oldguy; 09 September 2009, 21:56 Wednesday.
                                                A Man should never Gamble more than he can stand to loose.

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                                                • tim916
                                                  Junior Member
                                                  • May 2009
                                                  • 10

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by aarsoe
                                                  In reference to the plant - the cabinet maker in Denmark is not owned by B&W, but is in fact a furniture factory. They are one of the extremely few who can really bend wood into any shape or form - hence the cost associated.
                                                  But before we all go and kill our self, lets remember that Krell made really good speakers using aluminum and even though I love my 802Ds I would not be against a smaller cabinet making them more pleasing to the eye and more importantly to my wife's eyes..
                                                  I've heard that they will stop manufacturing in Denmark, but I do not have any idea as to when. My guess is that the reason is that the cost is probably prohibitive.

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                                                  • emig5m
                                                    Senior Member
                                                    • Aug 2008
                                                    • 646

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by scanido
                                                    My wish is that they developed a speaker the size of the 803S with the diamond tweeter.
                                                    How about a bookshelf with a FST mid and diamond? Then you could have the nice open FST mids in a nice small speaker. Throw in a sub and do the same thing that normally takes two huge towers. Honestly I like a system that's smaller anymore. A bookshelf with a FST driver would be sweet! (I honestly considered going all bookshelf speakers crossed over to a sub but my back to back comparisons with a FST vs no FST I liked the more open, clearer, and detailed FST mids every time so I couldn't give them up, lol.) Maybe a 804S chopped off right under the first woofer and add a diamond tweeter then you'll have something going in a small package.

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                                                    • beden1
                                                      Super Senior Member
                                                      • Oct 2006
                                                      • 1676

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by emig5m
                                                      How about a bookshelf with a FST mid and diamond? Then you could have the nice open FST mids in a nice small speaker. Throw in a sub and do the same thing that normally takes two huge towers. Honestly I like a system that's smaller anymore. A bookshelf with a FST driver would be sweet! (I honestly considered going all bookshelf speakers crossed over to a sub but my back to back comparisons with a FST vs no FST I liked the more open, clearer, and detailed FST mids every time so I couldn't give them up, lol.) Maybe a 804S chopped off right under the first woofer and add a diamond tweeter then you'll have something going in a small package.
                                                      I had gone into the smaller, minalmalist direction in the late 1980's, buying into the small speakers surround sound notion. It was just not that satisfying as a steady diet for too long. As I get older, I'm favoring the direction of bigger is better, as it always was in the past. Just like there is no replacement for displacement in the automobile circles, large speakers just give the sense of a real performance, like no small speaker can ever replicate.

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                                                      • beden1
                                                        Super Senior Member
                                                        • Oct 2006
                                                        • 1676

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by aarsoe
                                                        In reference to the plant - the cabinet maker in Denmark is not owned by B&W, but is in fact a furniture factory. They are one of the extremely few who can really bend wood into any shape or form - hence the cost associated.
                                                        But before we all go and kill our self, lets remember that Krell made really good speakers using aluminum and even though I love my 802Ds I would not be against a smaller cabinet making them more pleasing to the eye and more importantly to my wife's eyes..
                                                        It's a damn shame that there is no place in this world for true craftsmanship. Where in the world will the next Stradivarius Violins be born from the hand of man, when man is only pushing the buttons of machines?

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                                                        • 1oldguy
                                                          Senior Member
                                                          • Dec 2008
                                                          • 459

                                                          #29
                                                          As for the size and shape of the 800 series speaker for me there is no equal.Women seem to hate the big speakers and us men seem to love it.I find it odd but cute.
                                                          A Man should never Gamble more than he can stand to loose.

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                                                          • Audio_ElF
                                                            Senior Member
                                                            • Oct 2007
                                                            • 271

                                                            #30
                                                            RE: Danish cabinet makers ...

                                                            I seamed to remember that B&W initially had the cabinets made for the, but in the early to mid 2000s bought the company. Searching on Wikipedia I found this statement "B&W took over its own production factory for cabinets Agerbæk, Denmark in 2003. In the same year, the Bradford location was left for new premises in Cleckheaton, West Yorkshire." which confirms my recollections.

                                                            Also on B&W's website under Craftsmen they also talk about owning the Danish factory.

                                                            Eloise

                                                            Links:

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                                                            • aarsoe
                                                              Senior Member
                                                              • May 2004
                                                              • 795

                                                              #31
                                                              Audio_EIF you are right - my bad. I was thinking of Hornslet that makes speaker enclosures for almost everyone else.
                                                              Although in Danish, here is an article from a visit at the plant where you can see their enclose technology..

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                                                              • planitismetal
                                                                Senior Member
                                                                • Dec 2008
                                                                • 212

                                                                #32
                                                                Today I spoke with my dealer and he said to me that B&W will transfer the factory of cabinets from Denmark to UK. Also that B&W has stopped selling the ASW 855 and 825 because 2010 will have a new sub with room correction... All the 800 seriew will stay the same...

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                                                                • scanido
                                                                  Senior Member
                                                                  • Apr 2006
                                                                  • 548

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Wanted to find out more on this, so i spoke to B&W Product Manager about a new 800 series line anytime next year, and although they didn't specifically say that the 800 series will be replaced, they eluded to the fact that the Nautilus generation prior to the current series has ran for 6yrs. Since the current 800series was officially out in early 2005, that would give this series at least another 2 more years.

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                                                                  • sikoniko
                                                                    Super Senior Member
                                                                    • Aug 2003
                                                                    • 2299

                                                                    #34
                                                                    I don't believe we will be seeing anything new next year. But you do have to wonder what we can learn from the db1 about the ideas of the next generation.
                                                                    I'm just sittin here watchin the wheels go round and round...

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                                                                    • vlasis
                                                                      Member
                                                                      • May 2007
                                                                      • 58

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by JargonGR
                                                                      Ah the hell with it! I will just sit and enjoy my 800Ds I bought last year and will block the B&W site from displaying in all my PCs! No way I am killing my speakers to buy the new ones.
                                                                      Τι κανεις βρε παλλικαρακι...ε ρε γλεντιααααααα!!!!!!!!!!!
                                                                      How are you my friend??Something new?? :T :T

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                                                                      • JargonGR
                                                                        Member
                                                                        • Feb 2009
                                                                        • 95

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Χαχαχαχα!

                                                                        It's nice to see fellow members from other fora here but with the common love for B&W!

                                                                        No worries vlassis we won't need to upgrade it seems and I would no way part with my "WOODEN" 800Ds !

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                                                                        • sikoniko
                                                                          Super Senior Member
                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                          • 2299

                                                                          #37
                                                                          my dealer said that he was told at CEDIA the new diamond series would debut at CES.
                                                                          I'm just sittin here watchin the wheels go round and round...

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                                                                          • Kevin D
                                                                            Ultra Senior Member
                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                            • 4601

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Hmm, I wonder if he meant CES 2011? I was told by B&W that at next year's Cedia you might hear something about new 800's.

                                                                            Kevin D.

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                                                                            • jamesdaman
                                                                              Senior Member
                                                                              • Apr 2008
                                                                              • 136

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Thought id give an update, had it confirmed today by a few dealers that we will see the new 800 series next year. I rang B&W and spoke to a very helpful guy, he told me to expect the new range sooner then later. The other thing he told me is the diamond will be put on the replacement for the 805s, so im guessing its on all of them?? One bad thing, major price hike, looking around £3500 for the new 805s, OUCH!

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                                                                              • Nolan B
                                                                                Super Senior Member
                                                                                • Sep 2005
                                                                                • 1792

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by jamesdaman
                                                                                Thought id give an update, had it confirmed today by a few dealers that we will see the new 800 series next year. I rang B&W and spoke to a very helpful guy, he told me to expect the new range sooner then later. The other thing he told me is the diamond will be put on the replacement for the 805s, so im guessing its on all of them?? One bad thing, major price hike, looking around £3500 for the new 805s, OUCH!

                                                                                i thought they were changing the series to bring down the costs? Now a price hike?

                                                                                I guess time will tell, but thats like $7,000 CDN for 805s!!

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                                                                                • jamesdaman
                                                                                  Senior Member
                                                                                  • Apr 2008
                                                                                  • 136

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Nope, the price is one thing they were very clear about and that was its going up, not down. The crazzy thing is you looking at about £5000 or so for something along the lines of the 804s. I did try and get some info out of B&W about whether they would be made of wood or metal, he kinda laughed and didnt say alot so im unclear as to what they will look like, but he said they would be differnt from the current style. The other thing is they are going to be harder to drive from what he said, ive got a quad 909 and he said that would drive the 805s no problems but the new range might be a differnt story. He also said they had no stock of the 800 series subs left and stock was running low on the rest of the line. Guess we will see something soon

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                                                                                  • Kal Rubinson
                                                                                    Super Senior Member
                                                                                    • Mar 2006
                                                                                    • 2109

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by jamesdaman
                                                                                    He also said they had no stock of the 800 series subs left and stock was running low on the rest of the line. Guess we will see something soon
                                                                                    I think the new DB-1 may be a harbinger of many things. :W
                                                                                    Kal Rubinson
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                                                                                    • boarder1995
                                                                                      Member
                                                                                      • Sep 2009
                                                                                      • 68

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      DB-1 looks nice, but to me a better visual match to the CM line.

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                                                                                      • Kal Rubinson
                                                                                        Super Senior Member
                                                                                        • Mar 2006
                                                                                        • 2109

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by boarder1995
                                                                                        DB-1 looks nice, but to me a better visual match to the CM line.
                                                                                        At the moment. (Just a guess.)
                                                                                        Kal Rubinson
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                                                                                        • boarder1995
                                                                                          Member
                                                                                          • Sep 2009
                                                                                          • 68

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          That's what I was thinking too...perhaps a similar look for the new 800 series, but with more curves than the CM line? Hmmm...time will tell.

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