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  • SoundEngine355
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2008
    • 313

    800D's - Paid, Laid and Made!

    After a long history of upgrades I have finally hit the 800D era!

    After owning a pair of B&W 803D and HTM2D centre for a short period of time I fell in love with the B&W sound.

    So after driving over 600km / 370miles to listen to the 800D's, after the first track I was sold.

    They will arrive sometime this week.
    Last edited by SoundEngine355; 14 October 2009, 07:32 Wednesday.
    SoundEngine355

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    [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15
  • ShadowZA
    Super Senior Member
    • Jan 2006
    • 1098

    #2
    Congratulations! Wishing you many hours of 800D happiness. :T

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    • gross30
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2005
      • 282

      #3
      Ahhhhh, B&W 800 series and Velo DD-15. You my friend will be a very happy listener. I went with the Mac mono's, and they perform very well. It sounds like your new mono's will perform very well for you. Congratulations, and happy listening.

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      • SoundEngine355
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2008
        • 313

        #4
        Originally posted by gross30
        Ahhhhh, B&W 800 series and Velo DD-15. You my friend will be a very happy listener. I went with the Mac mono's, and they perform very well. It sounds like your new mono's will perform very well for you. Congratulations, and happy listening.
        I cannot wait to hear the 800D with DD15 ;x(
        Last edited by SoundEngine355; 01 September 2009, 05:49 Tuesday.
        SoundEngine355

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        [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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        • gross30
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2005
          • 282

          #5
          Soundengine355, I am running dual DD 15's, and the performance is outstanding for both HT and music. They seemed to integrate seamlessly with the 800 Nautilus. I am assuming the 800 D's will be a slick fit as well. You will not be dissappointed. The Velo's have ample power and speed to keep up nicely with the 800 series.

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          • SoundEngine355
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2008
            • 313

            #6
            Originally posted by gross30
            Soundengine355, I am running dual DD 15's, and the performance is outstanding for both HT and music. They seemed to integrate seamlessly with the 800 Nautilus. I am assuming the 800 D's will be a slick fit as well. You will not be dissappointed. The Velo's have ample power and speed to keep up nicely with the 800 series.
            Sounds good, I just need to make room for it now. The WAF is very low on floorstanding speakers, let alone something as big as the 800D's.
            SoundEngine355

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            [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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            • BWLover
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2009
              • 552

              #7
              the 800 series speakers are not speakers...........there art
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              Pro-Ject Debut Carbon w/ Ortofon 2M Red (sitting on a piece of slate supported by 3 "solid tech feet of silence" isolation feet)
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              Tara Labs RSC Vector 1 Speaker Cables & Interconnects
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              • SoundEngine355
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2008
                • 313

                #8
                Originally posted by BWLover
                the 800 series speakers are not speakers...........there art
                Agreed, they are sexy! and bloody heavy! I landed up denting my floorboards... ...got some thick rubber matting under them now.

                Hopefully next week I will get time to move the room around. Its 5m/16F by 3.5m/11.5F, at the moment I have it all sitting along the long side, going to move it along the short side so I have a better seating position further back from the speakers.
                SoundEngine355

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                [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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                • SoundEngine355
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 313

                  #9
                  Well the Mcintosh MC501's look like they might be the ones...
                  SoundEngine355

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                  [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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                  • SoundEngine355
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 313

                    #10
                    Or a pair of Krell KAV-2250 bridged???
                    SoundEngine355

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                    [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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                    • altanpsx
                      Member
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 63

                      #11
                      Try Audio Research, they are exceptional. For power amplification;

                      REFERENCE 210 Vacuum Tube Monaural Power Amplifier, 210 Watts
                      REFERENCE 610T Vacuum Tube Monaural Power Amplifier Tower, 600 Watts

                      For pre;

                      REFERENCE 5 Vacuum Tube Line-Stage Preamplifier

                      My preference would be 610t with pre 5.

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                      • ShadowZA
                        Super Senior Member
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 1098

                        #12
                        Originally posted by SoundEngine355
                        Or a pair of Krell KAV-2250 bridged???
                        I have a KAV-2250 & a KAV-3250. Both amps are bridgeable but I have not tried it.

                        My limited knowledge of bridging is thus: One bridged, the Krell KAV-2250 (bridged specd to deliver 1 000 watts into 8 ohms) should see half the load impedance and thus delivers double the current, thereby doubling the dissipation within the amplifier. Assuming that an 800D's minimum impedance is 3.1 ohms (as per the B&W website specification info), this will mean that the bridged amp will see 1.55 ohms and will therefore heat up tremendously as it delivers current. This scares me. I just don't feel too keen on putting my Krells through this.

                        If the minimum impedance of the speaker was say 6 ohms. I'd feel a tad more comfortable to try it.

                        My intention is not to hijack this thread but any info & opinions out there would be great.

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                        • SoundEngine355
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 313

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ShadowZA
                          I have a KAV-2250 & a KAV-3250. Both amps are bridgeable but I have not tried it.

                          My limited knowledge of bridging is thus: One bridged, the Krell KAV-2250 (bridged specd to deliver 1 000 watts into 8 ohms) should see half the load impedance and thus delivers double the current, thereby doubling the dissipation within the amplifier. Assuming that an 800D's minimum impedance is 3.1 ohms (as per the B&W website specification info), this will mean that the bridged amp will see 1.55 ohms and will therefore heat up tremendously as it delivers current. This scares me. I just don't feel too keen on putting my Krells through this.

                          If the minimum impedance of the speaker was say 6 ohms. I'd feel a tad more comfortable to try it.

                          My intention is not to hijack this thread but any info & opinions out there would be great.
                          Good point, the heat could become a serious issue. I also noticed a couple of threads saying the MC501's go into thermal shutdown when driven hard.

                          Another option could be to use the Krells and bi-amp the 800D's.
                          SoundEngine355

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                          [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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                          • audioqueso
                            Super Senior Member
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 1930

                            #14
                            Post some pictures!!! :B
                            B&W 804S/Velodyne SPL-1000R/Anthem MRX720

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                            • sikoniko
                              Super Senior Member
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 2299

                              #15
                              How about a pair of classe ca-m400?
                              I'm just sittin here watchin the wheels go round and round...

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                              • BWLover
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 552

                                #16
                                classé seems to looove the 800 series. and with the cdp-102 why not?
                                Bowers & Wilkins 683 Speakers
                                Rotel RB-1090 2 Channel Amp
                                Rotel RC-1082 Stereo Pre Amp
                                Rotel RCD-1072 CD Player
                                Pro-Ject Debut Carbon w/ Ortofon 2M Red (sitting on a piece of slate supported by 3 "solid tech feet of silence" isolation feet)
                                Rotel RLC-1040 Power Conditioner
                                Shynyata Research SR-Z1 Power Outlet & Venom 3 Power Cords x 4
                                Tara Labs RSC Vector 1 Speaker Cables & Interconnects
                                Pioneer PDP-5070HD 50" Plasma
                                Playstation 3
                                Shaw HD PVR
                                Primacoustic Room Treatments

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                                • SoundEngine355
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Feb 2008
                                  • 313

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by audioqueso
                                  Post some pictures!!! :B
                                  I will, just waiting on the new carpet to be installed. They I will get it all neat looking to take some pictures
                                  SoundEngine355

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                                  [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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                                  • SoundEngine355
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Feb 2008
                                    • 313

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by sikoniko
                                    How about a pair of classe ca-m400?
                                    I'll look into it.
                                    SoundEngine355

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                                    [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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                                    • Oddiophile
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Jul 2008
                                      • 173

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by sikoniko
                                      How about a pair of classe ca-m400?

                                      I'm with Sikoniko on this one.

                                      I have tried various Krells with my 802Ds and the Classe CA-M400s were WAY better. The Krell KAV series is definitely a non-starter for me. I have heard good things about McIntosh amps although have yet to hear that combination. You have wonderful speakers that deserve the best to get the best out of them. That means making sure you have lots of power for the 800Ds.


                                      Another possibility that you could audition is Bryston. The latest generation of Bryston amps is supposed to be quite good. If you can afford them, the new Bryston SST14s or the SST28s are supposed to be really good.

                                      As always, try to audition before you buy to make sure that the amps you are considering are right for YOUR system. Of course you should search this forum to get other peoples experiences with various amplifiers. Classe and McIntosh would appear to be the most popular.

                                      Congratulations on a pair of fantastic speakers.

                                      Jim

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                                      • BWLover
                                        Senior Member
                                        • Jan 2009
                                        • 552

                                        #20
                                        I was at my dealer today and they had a krell evo 402 (I think) on the 800D in there best room ($60 000) worth or acoustic treatment. it definitly did not do it justice. they weren't shining. they however had the 804S' on the CA-M400's in another room on OMG I think (as I said earlier) classé is the best match for B&W
                                        Bowers & Wilkins 683 Speakers
                                        Rotel RB-1090 2 Channel Amp
                                        Rotel RC-1082 Stereo Pre Amp
                                        Rotel RCD-1072 CD Player
                                        Pro-Ject Debut Carbon w/ Ortofon 2M Red (sitting on a piece of slate supported by 3 "solid tech feet of silence" isolation feet)
                                        Rotel RLC-1040 Power Conditioner
                                        Shynyata Research SR-Z1 Power Outlet & Venom 3 Power Cords x 4
                                        Tara Labs RSC Vector 1 Speaker Cables & Interconnects
                                        Pioneer PDP-5070HD 50" Plasma
                                        Playstation 3
                                        Shaw HD PVR
                                        Primacoustic Room Treatments

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                                        • SoundEngine355
                                          Senior Member
                                          • Feb 2008
                                          • 313

                                          #21
                                          Yeah I was on the Krell site before, the EVO 402 looked interesting, but only 400W/8 and 800W/4.
                                          SoundEngine355

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                                          [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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                                          • KahunaCanuck
                                            Senior Member
                                            • May 2008
                                            • 222

                                            #22
                                            You can't go wrong with Classe or McIntosh, I of course am biased towards Mc...I don't think you would be lacking with a set of 501s...or you could always go to the 1.2KWs. One of my reasons for loving Mc apart from the sound is the resale...if you got bored with 501s (I don't think you would), you can trade them or sell them and they will hold their value very well...

                                            These kind of decisions are what makes this hobby fun, trying to find just the right pieces for you and your dream setup....good luck! :^x
                                            Kahuna's Theatre

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                                            • BWLover
                                              Senior Member
                                              • Jan 2009
                                              • 552

                                              #23
                                              you must demo the ca-m400's. you just have to!
                                              Bowers & Wilkins 683 Speakers
                                              Rotel RB-1090 2 Channel Amp
                                              Rotel RC-1082 Stereo Pre Amp
                                              Rotel RCD-1072 CD Player
                                              Pro-Ject Debut Carbon w/ Ortofon 2M Red (sitting on a piece of slate supported by 3 "solid tech feet of silence" isolation feet)
                                              Rotel RLC-1040 Power Conditioner
                                              Shynyata Research SR-Z1 Power Outlet & Venom 3 Power Cords x 4
                                              Tara Labs RSC Vector 1 Speaker Cables & Interconnects
                                              Pioneer PDP-5070HD 50" Plasma
                                              Playstation 3
                                              Shaw HD PVR
                                              Primacoustic Room Treatments

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                                              • DeepEndX
                                                Senior Member
                                                • Feb 2005
                                                • 106

                                                #24
                                                SoundEngine355, congratulation on your purchase. I am one of members who are lucky to own a pair of 800D's. I'm pretty sure that you heard this before, each amp has different flavor so you must demo before purchase to identify the proper amp for your own taste (unless money is not an issue )

                                                I have demo Classe, Mac, and Krell and discovered the following strengths:
                                                Classe: great sound stage, soft and smooth - great for jazz/classical/orchestra, and some new age
                                                Mac: silky smooth - great for classical/orchestra
                                                Krell: Extremely dynamic and detailed, BASS! - great for pop/rock/R&B

                                                I purchased the Krell because it suites my taste.

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                                                • sikoniko
                                                  Super Senior Member
                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                  • 2299

                                                  #25
                                                  Classe is also releasing their new ct line that includes 600w mono amps. They are designed for rack mounting but would still look good.
                                                  I'm just sittin here watchin the wheels go round and round...

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                                                  • emig5m
                                                    Senior Member
                                                    • Aug 2008
                                                    • 646

                                                    #26
                                                    And the guys (the so-called "well respected" guys) on the AVS forums say that there's no difference in amps, lol.

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                                                    • SoundEngine355
                                                      Senior Member
                                                      • Feb 2008
                                                      • 313

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by BWLover
                                                      you must demo the ca-m400's. you just have to!
                                                      Will do!
                                                      Last edited by SoundEngine355; 14 October 2009, 07:33 Wednesday.
                                                      SoundEngine355

                                                      -------------------
                                                      [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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                                                      • SoundEngine355
                                                        Senior Member
                                                        • Feb 2008
                                                        • 313

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by DeepEndX
                                                        SoundEngine355, congratulation on your purchase. I am one of members who are lucky to own a pair of 800D's. I'm pretty sure that you heard this before, each amp has different flavor so you must demo before purchase to identify the proper amp for your own taste (unless money is not an issue )

                                                        I have demo Classe, Mac, and Krell and discovered the following strengths:
                                                        Classe: great sound stage, soft and smooth - great for jazz/classical/orchestra, and some new age
                                                        Mac: silky smooth - great for classical/orchestra
                                                        Krell: Extremely dynamic and detailed, BASS! - great for pop/rock/R&B

                                                        I purchased the Krell because it suites my taste.
                                                        Yeah I did a huge test day today with Classe, Mcintosh and Audio Research.
                                                        Last edited by SoundEngine355; 14 October 2009, 07:33 Wednesday.
                                                        SoundEngine355

                                                        -------------------
                                                        [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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                                                        • SoundEngine355
                                                          Senior Member
                                                          • Feb 2008
                                                          • 313

                                                          #29
                                                          Amazing speakers, truely amazing!
                                                          Last edited by SoundEngine355; 14 October 2009, 07:33 Wednesday.
                                                          SoundEngine355

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                                                          [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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                                                          • ShadowZA
                                                            Super Senior Member
                                                            • Jan 2006
                                                            • 1098

                                                            #30
                                                            Way to go! :T :T :T

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                                                            • sikoniko
                                                              Super Senior Member
                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                              • 2299

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by SoundEngine355
                                                              So my two channel system is now:

                                                              B&W 800D
                                                              Velodyne DD15
                                                              2 x Classe CA-M400
                                                              Classe CDP-102 (XLR to CA-M400, RCA to Velodyne DD15)
                                                              Cables either Transparent Audio MusicLink Ultra or Kimber Select
                                                              now you need to trade out your Denon for a Classe SSP-800. Your system will sound euphoric! :T
                                                              I'm just sittin here watchin the wheels go round and round...

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                                                              • SoundEngine355
                                                                Senior Member
                                                                • Feb 2008
                                                                • 313

                                                                #32
                                                                Thanks.

                                                                Any 800/1/2D owners with M400's out there? What cables you using? Interconnects and speaker...
                                                                SoundEngine355

                                                                -------------------
                                                                [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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                                                                • BWLover
                                                                  Senior Member
                                                                  • Jan 2009
                                                                  • 552

                                                                  #33
                                                                  my dealers personal 2 channel system is Classe CDP-502 CD, Classe CP-700 Preamp, Classe CA-M400 Mono Blocks, NBS Statement X-treme interconnects & speaker cable. This is his profile http://www.premieraudio.ca/vincent-p-parnell
                                                                  Bowers & Wilkins 683 Speakers
                                                                  Rotel RB-1090 2 Channel Amp
                                                                  Rotel RC-1082 Stereo Pre Amp
                                                                  Rotel RCD-1072 CD Player
                                                                  Pro-Ject Debut Carbon w/ Ortofon 2M Red (sitting on a piece of slate supported by 3 "solid tech feet of silence" isolation feet)
                                                                  Rotel RLC-1040 Power Conditioner
                                                                  Shynyata Research SR-Z1 Power Outlet & Venom 3 Power Cords x 4
                                                                  Tara Labs RSC Vector 1 Speaker Cables & Interconnects
                                                                  Pioneer PDP-5070HD 50" Plasma
                                                                  Playstation 3
                                                                  Shaw HD PVR
                                                                  Primacoustic Room Treatments

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                                                                  • SoundEngine355
                                                                    Senior Member
                                                                    • Feb 2008
                                                                    • 313

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Played Diana Krall - Live In Paris / Track 1 / I Love Being Here With You... OMG this is sonic heaven!
                                                                    Last edited by SoundEngine355; 14 October 2009, 07:34 Wednesday.
                                                                    SoundEngine355

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                                                                    [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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                                                                    • Freddie40
                                                                      Senior Member
                                                                      • Jun 2009
                                                                      • 152

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I have Matrix 802 Series 2 with Transparent MusicWave Super (Biwire) speaker wire and I love it. The wire definitely makes a difference.

                                                                      Dave
                                                                      Crystal Clear Music Tweaked Mac Mini / Yosemite -> JRiver 20 -> Ayre QB9DSD -> Bryston BP26DA -> Bryston 4BSST2 -> B&W 802Di | Transparent Reference XLRs, Transparent Super Speaker Cable, Maple Shade USB cable, Crystal Clear Music Power Cords

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                                                                      • BWLover
                                                                        Senior Member
                                                                        • Jan 2009
                                                                        • 552

                                                                        #36
                                                                        SoundEngine355 I'm VERY glad to hear you went with the classe amps. Good to know that the 102vs202 cdp didnt make a difference as i think that could be one of my upgrades, to a CDP-102. Have fun with your system!
                                                                        Bowers & Wilkins 683 Speakers
                                                                        Rotel RB-1090 2 Channel Amp
                                                                        Rotel RC-1082 Stereo Pre Amp
                                                                        Rotel RCD-1072 CD Player
                                                                        Pro-Ject Debut Carbon w/ Ortofon 2M Red (sitting on a piece of slate supported by 3 "solid tech feet of silence" isolation feet)
                                                                        Rotel RLC-1040 Power Conditioner
                                                                        Shynyata Research SR-Z1 Power Outlet & Venom 3 Power Cords x 4
                                                                        Tara Labs RSC Vector 1 Speaker Cables & Interconnects
                                                                        Pioneer PDP-5070HD 50" Plasma
                                                                        Playstation 3
                                                                        Shaw HD PVR
                                                                        Primacoustic Room Treatments

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                                                                        • SoundEngine355
                                                                          Senior Member
                                                                          • Feb 2008
                                                                          • 313

                                                                          #37
                                                                          XLR interconnects are the way to go!
                                                                          Last edited by SoundEngine355; 14 October 2009, 07:34 Wednesday.
                                                                          SoundEngine355

                                                                          -------------------
                                                                          [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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                                                                          • SoundEngine355
                                                                            Senior Member
                                                                            • Feb 2008
                                                                            • 313

                                                                            #38
                                                                            More power is needed!
                                                                            Last edited by SoundEngine355; 14 October 2009, 07:34 Wednesday.
                                                                            SoundEngine355

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                                                                            [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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                                                                            • SoundEngine355
                                                                              Senior Member
                                                                              • Feb 2008
                                                                              • 313

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Just looking at updating my CD collection!
                                                                              Last edited by SoundEngine355; 14 October 2009, 07:35 Wednesday.
                                                                              SoundEngine355

                                                                              -------------------
                                                                              [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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                                                                              • emig5m
                                                                                Senior Member
                                                                                • Aug 2008
                                                                                • 646

                                                                                #40
                                                                                DIY = Do It Yourself? Beat out Classe? Wow if so... :E

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                                                                                • SoundEngine355
                                                                                  Senior Member
                                                                                  • Feb 2008
                                                                                  • 313

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by emig5m
                                                                                  DIY = Do It Yourself? Beat out Classe? Wow if so... :E
                                                                                  Yes.

                                                                                  You would be suprised how well a DIY amplifier can perform and there are lots of designs out there, you just need to have the time to build them. I would have spent atleast $3500AUD on parts for the two mono blocks, then there is all my time to build them and test.

                                                                                  The advantage of DIY is you can build the amplifier to match the speaker...
                                                                                  SoundEngine355

                                                                                  -------------------
                                                                                  [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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                                                                                  • Oddiophile
                                                                                    Senior Member
                                                                                    • Jul 2008
                                                                                    • 173

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    SoundEngine355,

                                                                                    Remember that the CA-M400s require at least 300 hours of breaking in before they sound near their best.

                                                                                    Jim

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                                                                                    • SoundEngine355
                                                                                      Senior Member
                                                                                      • Feb 2008
                                                                                      • 313

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Oddiophile
                                                                                      SoundEngine355,

                                                                                      Remember that the CA-M400s require at least 300 hours of breaking in before they sound near their best.

                                                                                      Jim
                                                                                      Oh yes
                                                                                      SoundEngine355

                                                                                      -------------------
                                                                                      [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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                                                                                      • SoundEngine355
                                                                                        Senior Member
                                                                                        • Feb 2008
                                                                                        • 313

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Freddie40
                                                                                        I have Matrix 802 Series 2 with Transparent MusicWave Super (Biwire) speaker wire and I love it. The wire definitely makes a difference.

                                                                                        Dave
                                                                                        Nice setup, yeah the TA cables are sexy as hell.
                                                                                        SoundEngine355

                                                                                        -------------------
                                                                                        [Music] B&W 800D | Classe CDP202 +M400s | Velodyne DD15

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                                                                                        • jamesdaman
                                                                                          Senior Member
                                                                                          • Apr 2008
                                                                                          • 136

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          how do you build your own amp??

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