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  • Hank
    Super Senior Member
    • Jul 2002
    • 1345

    I had a religious experience at CES

    I met Siegfred Linkwitz! What a nice gentleman - polite and not arrogant. I really admire people who are at the top and don't let it go to their head.

    What did I learn at my first C.E.S.?
    1. It was huge and I have sensory overload, especially from bloated mid-bass!
    2. Learn to speak Chinese. An unbelievable number of Chinese companies were at the main hall. Saw tube-powered monitor speakers!
    3. Every company in the world is making blinking cell phone covers.
    4. There were lots of speakers at the high-end part of the show that don't sound all that impressive, but have lots of design work in their cosmetics. Half of them should hire Siegfred to do acoustic design for them.
    5. It was Hank's gigantic toy store.
    6. I donated $15 worth of quarters to the Sahara for their light bulb replacement fund.
    7. I really need to win the lottery.
    I met Mike Knapp, Dan Wiggins, Tony Gomez and Kyle Richardson. Nice guys.
    See you boys there next year.
  • Andrew Pratt
    Moderator Emeritus
    • Aug 2000
    • 16507

    #2
    sounds like a place I need to visit one day.




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    • ThomasW
      Moderator Emeritus
      • Aug 2000
      • 10934

      #3
      I think the word to describe the CES is OVERSTIMULATING!!!!

      Hank,

      Religious experiences are great just don't start chanting in front of your speakers.

      BTW did you see the new Adire pre/pro?




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      • Hank
        Super Senior Member
        • Jul 2002
        • 1345

        #4
        I took a quck look at it. It's a pre, not a pre/pro. Mike Knapp has a pic of the new Adire tube sub on HT Talk.

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        • sfdoddsy
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2000
          • 496

          #5
          Anything nice in rubber or latex?






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          • Dennis H
            Ultra Senior Member
            • Aug 2002
            • 3791

            #6
            Originally posted by sfdoddsy
            Anything nice in rubber or latex?

            No but the Darth Vader look was well represented. :LOL:

            Cheney's RM/X before and after positioning and with a 5'4" woman for scale. His room took 1st and 2nd in the TechTV awards. They said they gave 1st to Bongiorno's trinaural processor and 2nd to Cheney's speakers because his speakers won last year. 3rd was the new $68K Swans line arrays.





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            • JonMarsh
              Mad Max Moderator
              • Aug 2000
              • 15261

              #7
              Nice reporting Dennis!

              But how did they sound? I've seen and heard mixed reviews regarding his last show wonder.

              Glad you had an interesting time there, Hank! Makes me nostalgic- I haven't been to a CES since 1980, but then a close friend died (unexpectedly) while I was away (in Chicgo), and CES's have never had the same allure for me since...

              Still, it would be a hoot to do one again some day...


              Best regards,

              Jon




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              • Dennis H
                Ultra Senior Member
                • Aug 2002
                • 3791

                #8
                Hi Jon,

                I wasn't there. I just grabbed the links from a thread over at HD. Filtering through all the noise and hype, it sounds like they were much improved by the end of the show. Apparently Cheney was pulling all nighters getting them built in time and they weren't broken in or tuned when he got them there. By the end of the show, they had some break in time on them and he had added a bass trap and gotten his positioning, mid/tweet pots and PR mass adjusted so they sounded much better. It's a real challenge to get big speakers to sound good in those dinky rooms.

                But, I was mostly struck by the appearance. People who saw them are calling them beautiful. My reaction is somewhat different.

                Dennis

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                • JonMarsh
                  Mad Max Moderator
                  • Aug 2000
                  • 15261

                  #9
                  Well, they're "interesting" looking, and I wonder how consistent the upper range balance is, using a tall midrange ribbon array, with a short super tweeter ribbon on top? It's probably got some of the quirks in dispersion that plagued last year's RM40's. If you were at an adequate distance, and the right height, there was a good sweet spot. But many other reasonable positions weren't.

                  -Jon




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                  • Dennis H
                    Ultra Senior Member
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 3791

                    #10
                    Yeah, I wonder the same thing. The cyclops eye looking thing swivels up and down so you can aim it at the sweet spot. I think it's the 'new improved' G series from the Raven designer so the vertical dispersion would be about like an R1 - not great but not terrible either. I think the cross is first order at 7K. The mids are tall enough that it's probably not as bad as the old one when you stand up and the tweet would be less directional as well. Shouldn't change sound too much up to 10K or so when you stand.

                    All that said, I'd prefer it if the ribbon could handle all the treble without help. But, covering the range from 200 to 7K with no crossovers is quite appealing too. Dang those engineering tradeoffs.

                    ps - I heard a rumor about a new PDR version of the BG Neo8. I don't know anything about it but it would be way cool if they could damp that 12K resonance and improve the horizontal dispersion all in one fell swoop.

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                    • JonMarsh
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                      • Aug 2000
                      • 15261

                      #11
                      it would be way cool if they could damp that 12K resonance and improve the horizontal dispersion all in one fell swoop.
                      It would be, but I don't think they did.

                      Here's what they're publishing for the new one, in a 12" dipole baffle:



                      Now, I'd say they've done a good job of smoothing the overall power response, (considering that the 45 degree off axis is probably fairly representative of the off axis reverberent power response), but the on axis response is definitely a skosh "hot". It wouldn't be hard to pull down the on axis response to where it is close to the 30 degree off axis response, but then it will be a bit soft in the overall room response.

                      I think they've done a pretty fair job of smoothing things up, but then I'd not pass judgement on that until measuring one myself, as my own measurements in a dipole baffle of the original Neo8 didn't track all that close to some of their published curves.




                      Still, either version might sing pretty well with a solid crossover at 700-800 Hz. I'm a little more conservative than most about how low I like to use BG planars or ribbons (you'll never see me pushing a 150 Hz crossover point on RD75's or RD50's!). Can you spell line array? Problem is, it's not very low buck once you use a few of the Neo8's. Imagine a short column, four Neo8's and four 6-1/2's, perhaps with a DPL 12 in a sealed box below 75 Hz?

                      -Jon




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