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  • Andrew Pratt
    Moderator Emeritus
    • Aug 2000
    • 16507

    HDTV support

    Since the review came out in SGHT stating that the 1055/1066's do in fact support HDTV with 200 Mhz's worth of bandwidth I sent an email of to Mike Bartlett who's the VP for north america and my primary connact at Rotel asking for an explination. I heard back late last night and early this morning and its an interesting situation. I'm still learning some of the details on what's happened and what will be happening but here's what I know so far.

    At some point there was a change made to these models to increase the video bandwidth from 10 to 200 mhz to allow for 1080i HDTV support. I'm trying to find out exactly when that change was made but it isn't as simple as saying all models using the newer firmware are HDTV complient. When I find out more on which models are affected I'll post an update.

    For those of us with older models Rotel is looking into offering an upgrade patch similar to how the Denon 5800s were handled. We'll be charged a one time fee and will have to ship our units to Rotel and they'll UPS them back. Apparently its a rather expensive upgrade but our costs will be pretty reasonable. I've heard one figure but since its not set in stone yet I'll just say its more then I'd hoped but less then I feared

    As I said a lot of these details are only just being worked out and since Mike's in asia right now its more difficult to get details from him due to time delays and his work load...but I do know he's trying to sort out the details between the various staff within Rotel.

    For what its worth Rotel still says the 1055/1066 models don't support HDTV offically even though these new models do. I think thats likely a case of using a common denominator for the various flavours to make it appear like its an added bonus for the new models not a feature that was supported all along.




  • Arnold van Oostrum
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2002
    • 121

    #2
    For what I know at the end of August the changed the input board for wide band TV. It was made at the same time the EEPROM was upgraded (from 2MB to 4MB, with upgrade on the digital PCB) and they started the new firmware version.

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    • Andrew Pratt
      Moderator Emeritus
      • Aug 2000
      • 16507

      #3
      The 200 MHz bandwidth video switching 1066's can be identified by serial numbers higher than #2341001.

      The upgrade will be made available sometime in febuary and will cost around $100US and will involve you shipping your processor to Rotel for the mod. For Canadians we'll get to ship our to the Cdn distributor and they'll handle it for us (~$150 cdn)




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      • Hap C
        Junior Member
        • Dec 2002
        • 11

        #4
        It's great that Rotel is increasing the video bandwith to permit full HD signals.

        But there is more to be done.

        Rotel needs to add another component video input, to increase the total number of component inputs from 2 to 3. Most decent receivers (e.g., Denon, Onkyo) on their better models have 3 component video inputs and bandwith sufficient to switch HD signals, as do better processors like Sunfire, etc.. I think most of us would be happy to see Rotel catch up. It would be fine with me to have the composite and S-Video inputs reduced from 6 to, say, 2 each, plenty as most people who buy the 1066 now are using it with HD sources. For example, I currently use (1) a progressive scan DVD player; (2) a HD terrestrial settop box; and (3) a HD cable box. With only 2 component inputs on my current receiver I need to plug/unplug one of the boxes, a real pain.

        I've been looking at purchasing the 1066, and was holding off because of the video bandwith problem and the limited number of component inputs. Again, I'm glad Rotel is fixing the HD bandwith problem, now if they would just add another component input I'd be sold.

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        • Andrew Pratt
          Moderator Emeritus
          • Aug 2000
          • 16507

          #5
          Give them an inch :LOL:

          I don't see that happening for the current models but it might be something that could be addressed in the 1098 unit.




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          • fyonn
            Junior Member
            • Nov 2002
            • 28

            #6
            Originally posted by Hap C
            It would be fine with me to have the composite and S-Video inputs reduced from 6 to, say, 2 each, plenty as most people who buy the 1066 now are using it with HD sources.
            well, I'm not sure thats true. perhaps of the american market but not the european one. while I accept that several people might want more component inputs I wouldn't want the number of svideo inputs to be reduced.

            anyways, now we know what the minimum serial number is (and mine's below it, drat, maybe the shop will swap it for me? doubt it but maybe, I've had the box for less than a month) can we also confirm if it's a matter of v2 of the firmware and above? ie v1 is 10Mhz and v2 is 200Mhz?

            dave

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            • Andrew Pratt
              Moderator Emeritus
              • Aug 2000
              • 16507

              #7
              Its not a simple matter of which firmware you're running..only the serial number can tell. If you ask your dealer you might be able to have him swap it for you...doesn't hurt to beg




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              • sdecker
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2002
                • 122

                #8
                Andrew

                Does this upgrade apply for the 1055 also?

                Earle

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                • Andrew Pratt
                  Moderator Emeritus
                  • Aug 2000
                  • 16507

                  #9
                  I'm looking into that right now...I would assume so but I'll hopefully know for sure in a bit.




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                  • Trevor_J
                    Member
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 51

                    #10
                    Is there any way to tell by the numbers on the box what the serial number is? My Rotel is planted in my rack and I can't get to the back of it unless I start disconnecting wires. I'd rather avoid this. The numbers on my box are: FR0107123410370993.

                    The part that interests me is '2341037'. If this is my s/n then I'll be very happy. Can anyone verify any relation to the numbers on the box with the actual s/n?

                    TIA.

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                    • efarstad
                      Moderator Emeritus
                      • Jun 2001
                      • 2231

                      #11
                      You're good Trevor...you dog you! You have an updated version....

                      E





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                      • Trevor_J
                        Member
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 51

                        #12

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                        • Arnold van Oostrum
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 121

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Andrew Pratt
                          The 200 MHz bandwidth video switching 1066's can be identified by serial numbers higher than #2341001.
                          For the RSX-1065 it's serial# from 2361001 and higher.

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                          • Scotty
                            Junior Member
                            • Nov 2002
                            • 8

                            #14
                            :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
                            Expressions of joy and jubilations! Get this, my serial number is 2341019. Man, I barely mad it. Been sweat-in bullets since I’ve been hearing about this lately, and I just order a big screen HDTV. If I couldn't run HD through my 1066 it would have been a drag.

                            BIG thanks for the info Andrew!


                            I tried to contain myself, but I escaped. 8)

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                            • Gary Press
                              Junior Member
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 20

                              #15
                              As with Trevor J, I too cannot get to the back of my RSP-1066, but the numbers on the box are: FRO107122711820761.

                              Can "efarstad" or anyone else decipher my numbers and let me know whether I'm luck or will have to shell out $100 for the update?

                              Thanks,

                              Gary

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                              • Trevor_J
                                Member
                                • Oct 2002
                                • 51

                                #16
                                Going by your numbers compared to how mine were extracted, it appears that you are under the threshold for the new units. By looking at the numbers you pulled off you box, it would appear that your s/n is: 2271182

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                                • Danbry39
                                  Moderator Emeritus
                                  • Sep 2002
                                  • 1584

                                  #17
                                  Missing the upgrade isn't bothering me too much in that I connect my components straight into my Mitsubishi. I'm actually pleased that Rotel is willing to do the upgrade and the price they're charging might be reasonable. I don't know the cost to them. I do know that it will be a wanted upgrade for many. The reason I'm not disappointed is that some companies offer an upgradable unit, but really don't come through in the end. Rotel seems to at least be making attempts to address flaws in their offering, although I think most of us are most anxious to see the double bass issue resolved.




                                  Keith
                                  Keith

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                                  • Andrew Pratt
                                    Moderator Emeritus
                                    • Aug 2000
                                    • 16507

                                    #18
                                    I'm not sure what its costing Rotel but i know they aren't making money on it...chances are they're losing money since on top of labour they have to ship it back to you.




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                                    • mardelzur
                                      Junior Member
                                      • Dec 2002
                                      • 3

                                      #19
                                      Hi everyone - I've just joined up.
                                      As a 1066 owner this forum has been a great source of info - thanks to all.

                                      I have a quick question for Andrew - do you know what plans Rotel have for Australian 1066 owners with the HDTV update? My serial number is below the threshold :cry:

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                                      • SayersWeb
                                        Member
                                        • Dec 2002
                                        • 82

                                        #20
                                        Well.... I've avoided checking the serial # up to now, but curiosity got the best of me and I finally checked. To my surprise I do have the newer unit with the expanded video bandwidth.

                                        I was well prepared for the other side of that coin and truly appreciate my good fortune.




                                        Sayer - Musical Creations and Home Page
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                                        • Andrew Pratt
                                          Moderator Emeritus
                                          • Aug 2000
                                          • 16507

                                          #21
                                          I'm not sure what they are planning on doing outside of north america...I'd email tech support and ask them




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                                          • wanderso
                                            Member
                                            • Sep 2002
                                            • 39

                                            #22
                                            The question I have is what do we get back?

                                            The 'old' series Firmware? The new series Firmware?

                                            Do we ship to our own country (ie Canada)?

                                            Or will Rotel offer a realistic trade on the to-be released 'big brother'?

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                                            • Andrew Pratt
                                              Moderator Emeritus
                                              • Aug 2000
                                              • 16507

                                              #23
                                              They are workiong out exactly how its all going to work but we canucks will get to ship it to Toronto to be upgraded. I'm not sure about which firmware it will use once upgraded though that's a good question.




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                                              • Lee
                                                Junior Member
                                                • Oct 2002
                                                • 18

                                                #24
                                                I just checked mine... and i just barely made it too.. Just like Scotty.
                                                #2341020.

                                                Scotty: Where are you located, since your serial # is one before mine.

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                                                • FatMatt
                                                  Junior Member
                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                  • 3

                                                  #25
                                                  A couple of questions about the 1066

                                                  1) Is the serial number country specific or worldwide ?

                                                  2) Would that 200Mhz upgrade now allow Progressive signals to be switched on the Component sockets (NTSC/PAL) ?

                                                  thanks

                                                  n.

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                                                  • RogueAngel
                                                    Member
                                                    • Jun 2002
                                                    • 69

                                                    #26
                                                    Andrew,

                                                    I didn't notice an answer to the RSX 1055 applicability question doing a scroll through the messages. Have you heard anything yet about upgrading 1055's for HD video?

                                                    Bobbi

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                                                    • Andrew Pratt
                                                      Moderator Emeritus
                                                      • Aug 2000
                                                      • 16507

                                                      #27
                                                      The current non upgraded machines should already be able to do progressive scan DVD its HDTV that needs the increased bandwith I think.

                                                      Yes I'm sure any upgrade to the 1066's will also be offered to the 1055's.




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                                                      • brotherMaX
                                                        Junior Member
                                                        • Dec 2002
                                                        • 13

                                                        #28
                                                        Andrew,

                                                        What is the serial # cutoff for the 1055 with the HDTV support?

                                                        FTR my 1055 SN is 197223710621186

                                                        ThanX.....MaX

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                                                        • Andrew Pratt
                                                          Moderator Emeritus
                                                          • Aug 2000
                                                          • 16507

                                                          #29
                                                          BrotherMax I've asked Rotel and will reply when I hear back




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                                                          • Scotty
                                                            Junior Member
                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                            • 8

                                                            #30
                                                            Hi lee,
                                                            I live in Colorado. The state bird is the Lark Bunting, state flower the Columbine, the state beer, Coors. Ok... enough.
                                                            Strange how one number off can send a 1066 many miles away to Toronto?
                                                            Cheers 8)

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                                                            • brotherMaX
                                                              Junior Member
                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                              • 13

                                                              #31
                                                              Hi Andrew,

                                                              Any news on the SN cutoff for the 1055?

                                                              ThanX

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                                                              • Andrew Pratt
                                                                Moderator Emeritus
                                                                • Aug 2000
                                                                • 16507

                                                                #32
                                                                not yet...most of Rotels staff is at CES this week




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                                                                • Claude D D
                                                                  Senior Member
                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                  • 465

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Not being able to run a HDTV signal through your 1066 is no big deal.Any self respecting videofile would run direct to his/her display anyway,plus the next generation of HDTV converters will use a different connection anyway (DVI,firewire,etc.) All of the new HDTV's have more than one HD input as well,so who really needs HDTV component video switching?

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                                                                  • slayer12
                                                                    Junior Member
                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                    • 7

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Any news yet on the cutoff for the 1055?

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