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  • tagman
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 23

    Where is the XM tuner??

    Hi all,

    I just purchased a few rotel amps and a processor. I was hoping to buy
    a new tuner with XM. I currently use xm through a receiver also tied in with my sytem.

    Wanting to get rid of the receiver i figured i would purchase a new rotel
    tuner to keep the system all matched up. Rotel only makes a sirius radio.
    That sucks!!!

    Does anybody know if Rotel plans on releasing a XM, hd radio tuner in the near future?? The website makes no mention of this. Any info would be great. Thanks.

    Tommy
  • Kevin D
    Ultra Senior Member
    • Oct 2002
    • 4601

    #2
    The RT-1084 was originally planned to be a HD/XM/SIRIUS tuner (with your choice of three XM/SIRIUS modules). Unfortunately, XM was not interested in helping Rotel add support for it to their tuner.

    After months of unreturned phone calls and complete lack of support, they ditched XM and went with just Sirius. I would highly doubt ever seeing XM support on anything of theirs in the future.

    Kevin D.

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    • jim777
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2005
      • 831

      #3
      XM and Sirius are "very-low-fi", not even low-fi, so should we care?

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      • Pez
        Senior Member
        • May 2004
        • 472

        #4
        Originally posted by jim777
        XM and Sirius are "very-low-fi", not even low-fi, so should we care?
        Definately. Radio is great for background music and parties (when its commercial free). These are two areas where it doesnt need to be the highest possible quality, just having the ability to play music is enough. Besides, the radio is the last thing I would use for critical listening.

        I like XM for baseball and its a bummer that rotel only offers sirius, at least to me.

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        • Slice
          Member
          • Jan 2005
          • 45

          #5
          So, has anybody seen an actual RT-1084 yet? In other words, what is causing the release to be held up?

          When I last emailed them, they assured me that release would happen in October. 2006. :Z Yeah, that was a good one! :rofl:
          - Slice

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          • tagman
            Junior Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 23

            #6
            I care!

            Originally posted by jim777
            XM and Sirius are "very-low-fi", not even low-fi, so should we care?

            Yes Jim, I do like lo fi xm radio for listening to news, comedy, and of course background music. XM radio has turned me on to 100's of new artists that I never heard of. I have purchased many cd recordings of these artists.

            yes, the sound sucks, but when I sit in front of my beautiful dynaudios
            I can assure you the music I'm listening too is definitely HI FI.

            Also a company like Rotel see's the importance of satellite radio, and my rotel equipment is definitely hi fi. Thank you.

            Tommy

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            • jim777
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2005
              • 831

              #7
              Hi Tommy,

              Just to make sure that there is no misunderstanding, I never said that Rotel (or Dynaudio for that matter) is LO-FI. But no one can make XM sound better than what it is, heavily compressed & pre-processed audio. If you feed an iPod dock with 32kbps audio files, no hardware will bring back the quality you want.

              In other words, no need for a Rotel XM tuner. If you are already an XM fan then you already have a tuner and you will not gain any quality with a better one, because the source material itself is too bad.

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              • Kevin D
                Ultra Senior Member
                • Oct 2002
                • 4601

                #8
                Originally posted by Slice
                So, has anybody seen an actual RT-1084 yet? In other words, what is causing the release to be held up?

                When I last emailed them, they assured me that release would happen in October. 2006. :Z Yeah, that was a good one! :rofl:
                Yup... It's been shipping since the first of December.. I posted about it on the 12th.

                Kevin D.

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                • tagman
                  Junior Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 23

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jim777
                  Hi Tommy,

                  Just to make sure that there is no misunderstanding, I never said that Rotel (or Dynaudio for that matter) is LO-FI. But no one can make XM sound better than what it is, heavily compressed & pre-processed audio. If you feed an iPod dock with 32kbps audio files, no hardware will bring back the quality you want.

                  In other words, no need for a Rotel XM tuner. If you are already an XM fan then you already have a tuner and you will not gain any quality with a better one, because the source material itself is too bad.

                  Hi Jim,

                  No, I totally understand what you are saying. I agree that the sound quality is bad with the satellite radio. When I said that I listen to hi fi with my system I meant when I am listening to cd or dvd.

                  I know no matter how much I spend on a system satellite sounds bad.

                  I do like the fact that I do get introduced to so many artists with satellite.

                  Your input is very important, and with an open mind I really appreciate it.
                  Thank you.

                  Tommy

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                  • jim777
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 831

                    #10
                    Originally posted by tagman
                    Hi Jim,

                    No, I totally understand what you are saying. I agree that the sound quality is bad with the satellite radio. When I said that I listen to hi fi with my system I meant when I am listening to cd or dvd.

                    I know no matter how much I spend on a system satellite sounds bad.

                    I do like the fact that I do get introduced to so many artists with satellite.

                    Your input is very important, and with an open mind I really appreciate it.
                    Thank you.

                    Tommy
                    Thanks for your comments Tommy. Now I can say that I think that you are right

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                    • Vince Helm
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 134

                      #11
                      Originally posted by jim777
                      In other words, no need for a Rotel XM tuner. If you are already an XM fan then you already have a tuner and you will not gain any quality with a better one, because the source material itself is too bad.

                      Hey guys.

                      I bought the Polk XRT 12 XM tuner. Hooked it up to a Musical Fidelity X-DACv3 with Stereovox digital cable... Still sucks... except for content. I do like the on screen display and the remote turn on feature. Oh well.
                      Vince

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                      • tagman
                        Junior Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 23

                        #12
                        Hey, how does the new hd radio sound? I have not heard it at all yet, but does it sound ok with a good system?

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                        • jim777
                          Senior Member
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 831

                          #13
                          Originally posted by tagman
                          Hey, how does the new hd radio sound? I have not heard it at all yet, but does it sound ok with a good system?
                          Worse than 128kbps MP3, maybe a little better than amazon.com audio samples. So the better the system, the more you will hear coding artefacts..

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                          • tagman
                            Junior Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 23

                            #14
                            Originally posted by jim777
                            Worse than 128kbps MP3, maybe a little better than amazon.com audio samples. So the better the system, the more you will hear coding artefacts..

                            Hey Jim,

                            What a shame!! Satellite radio could be so great if the sound quality was
                            quality.

                            I forgot to mention, even my installers were complaining to me how bad satellite radio sounds as they were hooking up my system.

                            I wonder if they ever plan on improving it, and how can that be achieved.

                            Tommy

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                            • jim777
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 831

                              #15
                              Originally posted by tagman
                              Hey Jim,

                              What a shame!! Satellite radio could be so great if the sound quality was
                              quality.

                              I forgot to mention, even my installers were complaining to me how bad satellite radio sounds as they were hooking up my system.

                              I wonder if they ever plan on improving it, and how can that be achieved.

                              Tommy
                              For most consumers, "improving" means adding more channels, not quality.

                              They do not plan on improving it. I even have good sources that tell me that satellite radio would like to find a way to lower bitrate even more while keeping the quality "acceptable". I don't know about the U.S. but the same thing is going on here with cable TV.

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                              • Andrew M Ward
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2005
                                • 717

                                #16
                                Originally posted by jim777
                                For most consumers, "improving" means adding more channels, not quality.

                                They do not plan on improving it. I even have good sources that tell me that satellite radio would like to find a way to lower bitrate even more while keeping the quality "acceptable". I don't know about the U.S. but the same thing is going on here with cable TV.

                                Beautiful....
                                Lets take mediocre to a new low..


                                Any thoughts on HD FM now avaialble ?

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                                • jim777
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Mar 2005
                                  • 831

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Andrew M Ward
                                  Any thoughts on HD FM now avaialble ?
                                  From Wiki: "In hybrid mode, the AM version can carry 36 kilobits per second of data for the main audio channel, while FM stations can carry information at 96 kbit/s."

                                  So it's more bitrate than Satellite, at least for the FM version, but keep in mind that there is also talks for 5.1 audio (that would have to fit into the 96 kbps too). Consumers want "more" ! and that isn't more quality for sure.

                                  But to give you an idea, with modern codecs (like HE-AAC+ and AMR-WB+), 48 kbps is near 128 kbps MP3 quality; and in the case of AAC (AMR doesn't scale up that high yet), 64 kbps is "high quality" but still far from lossless of course.


                                  At least it is "free" for consumers...

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                                  • jim777
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Mar 2005
                                    • 831

                                    #18
                                    The bitrates specified for HD radio are for the whole channel. Tons of error correction is required so the true bitrate for the audio itself is probably much lower than what is quoted.


                                    Did anyone hear both HD radio and XM or Sirius?

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                                    • Slice
                                      Member
                                      • Jan 2005
                                      • 45

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Kevin D
                                      Yup... It's been shipping since the first of December.. I posted about it on the 12th.

                                      Kevin D.
                                      Kevin - that is not what I asked. I read your 12/12 post and as a result spoke with my dealer. They placed an order, and have still not received any AFAIK, because I have been asking them.

                                      So if it has "been shipping", where the heck are they? Do some dealers have them?

                                      I've not read about anyone getting their hands on a production unit.
                                      - Slice

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                                      • Kevin D
                                        Ultra Senior Member
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 4601

                                        #20
                                        Slice,

                                        Good to know. Unless we sell one at work I just have to follow the news letters we get.

                                        I'll see if I can find out what the word is.

                                        Kevin D.

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                                        • Slice
                                          Member
                                          • Jan 2005
                                          • 45

                                          #21
                                          Well, today's news is the talk of a merger between XM & Sirius, and which programming will ultimately be kept and which will be discarded between the two.

                                          What's Rotel gonna do now? And what are all those people with one or the other in their new luxury cars gonna do?

                                          At least Rotel took Britney's "Oops I Did It Again" off the artwork - I'll bet they said "Whew - that was a close one!", considering her increasingly whacked-out behaviour.
                                          - Slice

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                                          • dthree
                                            Junior Member
                                            • Feb 2007
                                            • 12

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Slice
                                            Well, today's news is the talk of a merger between XM & Sirius, and which programming will ultimately be kept and which will be discarded between the two.
                                            I don't think this merger will go through. One satellite radio company is not allowed to own the other.

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                                            • Slice
                                              Member
                                              • Jan 2005
                                              • 45

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by jim777
                                              Worse than 128kbps MP3, maybe a little better than amazon.com audio samples. So the better the system, the more you will hear coding artefacts..
                                              This is part of my concern. Provided that the listener has:
                                              1. An HD radio programming source
                                              2. A high quality HD tuner
                                              3. A high quality system

                                              it's still not clear to me whether the main advantage of HD Radio (Hybrid Digital, not High Definition) is merely 'additional' channels riding the same frequency from the same station, or whether it actually will provide 'High Definition' (ie, CD-quality-or-better) sound. I've got at least 6 local stations that I regularly listen to that are already broadcasting HD, and if I knew I could reproduce it at CD-quality, I could really rock an RT-1084.

                                              However, at this point, I couldn't care less about satellite radio. From the discussions about the proposed XM/Sirius merger on the Newshour last night, the two companies are claiming extremely low revenues relative to their respective investments. They said that if the merger is not approved, you can expect to see either reduced content or higher subscription fees. Collectively, they've already laid out $500M each for 4 geo-synch. satellites, and inked large contracts with Howard Stern ($800M!), NFL, MLB, Oprah, and a bunch of rappers, so they're deep in the hole.

                                              Apparently, not enough people are willing to subscribe to radio when they can stream it for free. It strikes me that the promotion/education w.r.t. HD programming and the rollout for HD tuners have been about as poorly done as that for high-resolution DVDs.
                                              - Slice

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                                              • tagman
                                                Junior Member
                                                • Jan 2007
                                                • 23

                                                #24
                                                This is going through!!!

                                                Hi everyone, I think this is going to happen. It is not illegal.

                                                I subscibe, here is an email I received yesterday from XM. Sorry it's a little long, but for those who are interested here it is.

                                                From: xmradio.email@xmradio.com
                                                Subject: Exciting Merger News from XM
                                                Date: February 20, 2007 11:27:19 AM EST
                                                To: tag1993@optonline.net
                                                Reply-To: xmradio.email@xmradio.com

                                                February 20, 2007


                                                Dear XM Radio Subscriber:

                                                We want to share with you some exciting news: Yesterday, in Washington DC, we announced XM Radio will be merging with Sirius Satellite Radio to form the premier digital audio service.

                                                The merger will create a satellite radio company that will provide consumers across the country with more and better premium radio programming. The combined company will be able to compete better in what has become a very complex and dynamic entertainment market.

                                                Where today our exclusive contracts mean you had to choose between baseball and football or Oprah and Martha Stewart, the new company will seek to ensure that in the future, you will be able to access both companies' programming. And, once we are fully integrated, those of you who have factory-installed satellite radio will no longer be limited to the programming provided by the exclusive satellite radio service chosen by their car manufacturer.

                                                This merger should be completed in late 2007 or early in 2008. Throughout the year, we will provide updates on how the merger is progressing and information will be available at our website, www.xmradio.com.

                                                Between today and the merger date, as well as during the period immediately after the merger date, all of your services will remain the same. The channel lineup, the customer service number, the great music technology, and the XM Radio web site will all remain unchanged and there will be no disruption to service. But, if you have questions, information will be available and maintained on our website, and you can contact our Listener Care team at 800-XMRADIO, with questions and concerns.

                                                XM Radio continues to be committed to providing you the highest quality audio entertainment and customer service available today. After the merger, our new company will be able to offer you the most exciting listening experience in radio.

                                                Sincerely,

                                                Hugh Panero
                                                CEO, XM Satellite Radio


                                                Forward Looking Statements
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                                                Important Additional Information Will be Filed with the SEC This communication is being made in respect of the proposed business combination involving SIRIUS and XM. In connection with the proposed transaction, SIRIUS plans to file with the SEC a Registration Statement on Form S-4 containing a Joint Proxy Statement/Prospectus and each of SIRIUS and XM plan to file with the SEC other documents regarding the proposed transaction. The definitive Joint Proxy Statement/Prospectus will be mailed to stockholders of SIRIUS and XM. INVESTORS AND SECURITY HOLDERS OF SIRIUS AND XM ARE URGED TO READ THE JOINT PROXY STATEMENT/PROSPECTUS AND OTHER DOCUMENTS FILED WITH THE SEC CAREFULLY IN THEIR ENTIRETY WHEN THEY BECOME AVAILABLE BECAUSE THEY WILL CONTAIN IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROPOSED TRANSACTION.

                                                Investors and security holders will be able to obtain free copies of the Registration Statement and the Joint Proxy Statement/Prospectus (when available) and other documents filed with the SEC by SIRIUS and XM through the web site maintained by the SEC at www.sec.gov. Free copies of the Registration Statement and the Joint Proxy Statement/Prospectus (when available) and other documents filed with the SEC can also be obtained by directing a request to Sirius Satellite Radio Inc., 1221 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 10020, Attention: Investor Relations or by directing a request to XM Satellite Radio Holdings Inc., 1500 Eckington Place, NE Washington, DC 20002, Attention: Investor Relations.

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                                                • Alaric
                                                  Ultra Senior Member
                                                  • Jan 2006
                                                  • 4143

                                                  #25
                                                  Just to wander on over to the topic , Marantz ST7001 tuner has XM capability. I've seen them online for less than $400.00
                                                  Lee

                                                  Marantz PM7200-RIP
                                                  Marantz PM-KI Pearl
                                                  Schiit Modi 3
                                                  Marantz CD5005
                                                  Paradigm Studio 60 v.3

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